No Charges For Murder Of Brazilian I Think That Is Appalling

[gordiescotland1]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35927775

I think this is appalling

[Old_Geezer]

It's really sad but I suspect it is difficult to pin blame on an individual. The system should never have been such that an innocent person is shot dead without there being a clear danger, but it's possible all that could be found would be scapegoats to carry the can for all. It was an awkward situation. Intelligence failure too.

[New Judge]

No it's not.

For justice to prevail a murder charge should never have been considered. The officer took a split second decision to act in accordance with his duty. He made a mistake and the result was tragic. But not a criminal offence.

What is more criminal is that this matter should have been hanging over all concerned - the victim's family and the officers involved - for so long. It should have been finalised by courts in the UK and there is adequate legislation in place for it to have been dealt with here. Another example of the unnecessary interference of the European Court of Human Rights in domestic affairs.

[Baldric]

Good to see that our Police Force acted legally when carrying out their duty to protect us from terrorism.

[hc4361]

He was not murdered according to the legal definition of the word.

[naomi24]

It's very sad - a tragedy - but without doubt the right decision.

[Gladeian]

The right decision I agree, but nothing to do the european courts in the first place. More meddling in domestic legal matters not required from europe.
Was this the brazilian family groping after yet more money in the event that their case was found ?

[Quizmonster]

Can anyone remind me what became of the claim at the time that JC de Menezes' passport contained an out-of-date visa or an invalid stamp of some sort?
I am not asking about the rights or wrongs of the police action which ended his life and certainly not claiming someone with an invalid visa deserves to be killed! Just wondering why – if there was indeed a passport irregularity – the victim is always referred to as “completely innocent”.
All I’d like to hear is an answer such as, “There was nothing wrong with his passport” or “The visa impropriety was dismissed as irrelevant” or some such definitive conclusion…not links to extensive web-sites. Thank you.

[Quizmonster]

Thanks for that, DB, though it does sound a bit Montypythonesque! A "lawful forged passport", indeed! Cheers

[hc4361]

As he had re-entered the UK from Ireland within the previous 3 months he was legally in the UK despite his passport being forged.

From Wiki:
Immigration records show that Menezes entered the Republic of Ireland from France on 23 April 2005. There are no records to show the exact date that he returned to the UK; however, under the Common Travel Area system, a foreign citizen entering the UK through the Republic of Ireland has an automatic right to remain for three months. Therefore, Menezes was lawfully in the UK on the day he was killed, even though the stamp in his passport recording indefinite leave to remain was a forgery

From the BBC News:
The court heard how as a person entering Britain from Ireland, he would have had an automatic three-month leave to remain which at the earliest would have run out on 23 July, the day after he was killed.

[Peter Pedant]

//Thanks for that, DB, though it does sound a bit Montypythonesque! A "lawful forged passport", indeed! Cheers//

eek that isnt a reason to kill him - is it ?

does anyone have the URL of the justices' wise words ?

what would I think if I saw a policeman with a gun ?
" I am gonna DIIIIIIEEE !"
I find manch airport particularly difficult to visit ....

as the fambly said:
a completely innocent man dies - and no one is responsible

[Quizmonster]

Perhaps this proves the validity of Dickens' Mr Bumble's claim that, "The law is a ass!" (No, he didn't say 'an'.)

[Quizmonster]

"eek that isnt a reason to kill him - is it ?"
PP, Had you bothered to read my earlier response, you would have seen the following words, "I am...certainly not claiming someone with an invalid visa deserves to be killed!"
So what are you on about this time?
Anyone who 'fixes' his passport is NOT "completely innocent".

[gordiescotland1]

Younngmafbog a very unnecessarily sarcastic offensive answer

[viv41]

I agree, you are entitled to your opinion ......

[EDDIE51]

Don't let this get you worked up gordie remember your temper problems!
Getting angry will work itself out on your cat , they can sense an owners mood , and get you even more angry when you can't get the cat in the basket!