Martin Mcguiness Dies.

[Islay]

What is in NI's future now? According to George Galloway everyone in NI wants a united Ireland! What planet is he on!

[hereIam]

^ Agree.

[emmie]

Blair on news just now, 'he was a man of peace'
, so says the war monger.

[mikey4444]

Emmie...Churchill was accused of being a war monger.

[emmie]

i know, but he saw what others did not.

[mikey4444]

Maybe Mcguiness did as well ?

[emmie]

sorry can't agree with you on this, the man and his thugs killed thousands of totally innocent people, children included.
what harm had they done, none is the answer.

[mikey4444]

Everything you say is true Emmie....I don't and couldn't dispute a single word.

My point is that without Mcguiness and similar elements in the Republican movement, the Good Friday agreement wouldn't and couldn't have happened.

[emmie]

NJ has it dead right, that there wouldn't have needed a peace process without the bombs and bullets that flew over everyone.
He can explain it better than i.

[emmie]

i won't mourn his passing.

[Deskdiary]

I will give credit where its due.

He knew the IRA was all but defeated, and therefore he had the foresight to stop murdering innocent people and become a politician. Fortunately this coincided with St Blair wanting to leave a legacy.

The Good Friday Agreement was a disgrace - proven murderers being given a clean slate.

He was not a 'great man' has been claimed. He was a murderer who left many wives without husbands, husbands without wives and children without parent(s) - these are the people we should be focusing on.

[emmie]

totally agree ^^^

[fbg40]

I think Norman Tebbit summed it up when he gave his opinion as broadcast on tonight's BBC news. Can't remember exactly what he said but no doubt it will also be on the news at 10 tonight.
FBG40

[emmie]

seeing as his wife was severely injured, he was scathing in that inimitable style.

[Everhelpful]

Agree 100% with Deskdiary and emmie.!!

[naomi24]

fbg40, I heard Norman Tebbit speaking at lunchtime. Among other things he said the world will be a cleaner place.

How allen puts the lack of sympathy down to 'old prejudices' is beyond my comprehension. Simple prejudice it is not.

[mikey4444]

I take then DD, that you would liked the the peace process and the Good Friday agreement never to have happened ?

[Togo]

//Emmie...Churchill was accused of being a war monger. //

Yeah by the Nazis, As was Harris. No doubt if we had not prevailed they would have been executed as such, and Hitler and his gangsters would be celebrated as peace bringers. There would have been plenty here to support the twisted views. Don't recall Churchill sneaking out to plant bombs in chippies. Perhaps Mikey would have pardoned Hess, did he not try to change sides when he knew the game was up?

[ichkeria]

I don't see anyone here calling Martin McGuinness a 'great man' tho he was to many of his people.
It is patently untrue to say that there would have been no deaths had he not been around or had he chosen a different path. As I pointed out earlier, there is and was a lot more to the Ireland conflict than just the IRA. The IRA could not have flourished in NI had the conditions for conflict not already existed. And to be fair to Tony Blair, what he actually said was that to many McGuinness was a man of war but to him he was a man of peace: that was because his experience was of negotiating peace with him.
'How good it will be' said Ian Paisley snr once 'to be part of a wonderful healing in this province'
And McGuinness was part of that. Sure he was a major player in the conflict, but he personally did not CAUSE that conflict. It's crucial to see that.

[Togo]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-world-is-a-cleaner-and-sweeter-place-norman-tebbit-brands-martin-mcguinness-a-coward-and-a-murderer/ar-BByuLf9?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=spartanntp

Here you are fbg40. I'm with him.