Sturgeon Takes Brexit Concerns To Brussels

[mushroom25]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44278439

let's try that again. previously clumsily put by TTT, nevertheless this raises a serious question. If m Barnier is prepared to negotiate with a quasi-independent non-eu-member part of a member country (Scotland), how will he fare when catalunya and euskadi see the precedent that's been set and demand the same rights, in the face of frothing at the mouth by france and spain?

[Zacs-Master]

He only met with her. I’m pretty sure her visit was a minor inconvenience to Barnier and nothing more.

[Zacs-Master]

I’m sure their visits will be just as significant.

[anneasquith]

Like or loathe her, she is the first minister of Scotland ( elected) it appears she is doing her job . Is mrs, may doing her job ?:-)

[ichkeria]

The Basque Country and Catalonia are part of countries who want to remain in the EU

[New Judge]

"The Basque Country and Catalonia are part of countries who want to remain in the EU"

Yes, but they seek independence from their parent nation (and hence face expulsion from the EU in the event of their success) in just the same way as Mrs Murrell does for Scotland.

The Spanish Secretary of State to the European Union, Jorge Toledo, is on record as saying "if the United Kingdom leaves the single market then the whole United Kingdom leaves the single market". The Spanish Prime Minister, Mariano Rajoy has told the EU categorically that Spain would block any independent and separate deal put forward by Sturgeon [Mrs Murrell] and the Scottish Government.

So that largely seems to be that and the Scottish Parliament would do well to refuse to finance any further EasyJet flights for their First Minister to travel to Brussels to discuss this matter. She could then concentrate on more pressing matters (that are within her Bailiwick) that need her attention at home.

[jim360]

NJ: Just to be clear, Sturgeon never took her husband's name. Her surname is Sturgeon. Can I suggest that you use it please?

[New Judge]

3Ts is often castigated for using the wrong nomenclature for the First Minister. To avoid similar criticism I'm simply using her proper name and title which is Mrs Peter Murrell. What she chooses to use is neither here nor there as far as I am concerned.

[jim360]

Her proper name and title is Nicola Sturgeon.

[Mamyalynne]

//What she chooses to use is neither here nor there as far as I am concerned.//

Discourtesy of the highest order.

[New Judge]

You can't have it both ways.

If we're not allowed to refer to her as "Wee Burney" or "Wee Jimmy" (which I think I may have done once or twice but only in jest - because she gives people a lot to jest about) I'll be as courteous as ever and use her proper name and title.

However, we digress (which is very unusual)

[jim360]

You have a very funny idea of courtesy, NJ.

It's quite simple, really. Her name is what she chooses it to be, not what *you* choose it to be. If you want to show the respect you clearly don't really intend to, then call her Nicola Sturgeon.

[THECORBYLOON]

No doubt NJ will be referring to the Foreign Secretary as Alexander Johnson since that's his real name.

[New Judge]

"No doubt NJ will be referring to the Foreign Secretary as Alexander Johnson since that's his real name."

No I won't because if I refer to him as BoJo I don't get shot down in flames. Similarly "Mother Theresa" seems to get by without comment.

Many other politicians mentioned on here are referred to by amusing pseudonyms sometimes because of their appearance, sometimes because of their mannerisms, habits or beliefs. But it seems only when the First Minister is treated similarly does the outrage begin. I don't understand why that should be but to avoid any further opportunity for castigation I shall simply refer to her by her proper title and name. It seems that's wrong as well but I can't keep up with people like Mrs Murrell and Lady Nugee picking and choosing how they will be referred to.

Anyway, let's not derail the thread as it is quite an interesting question.

[jim360]

There's quite a simple way to stop the thread derailing: stop pretending that you are using "proper names and titles" when in reality you are doing the exact opposite. There is no rule that dictates that a woman automatically must adopt her husband's name on marriage; neither Nicola Sturgeon nor Emily Thornberry (I had to look it up) did so, and you ought to respect their choices. If you don't, it reflects rather a lot more on you than it does anyone else calling you out for your discourtesy.

[ToraToraTora]

my thread would have worked better.

[mushroom25]

//my thread would have worked better.//

yes. but teacher sent your thread to the naughty corner. :-)

[Hopkirk]

If she didn't take her husband's name, then she is not Mrs Murrell.

It is not her 'proper name'

[cassa333]

All her visit to the EU does is bolster the EU.

They throw their arms up, look to the sky and say “you see, there are so many British people who want to remain in our wonderful club that the people wanting to leave must be mad”.

I would cut all extra payments to Scotland that the rest of the UK don’t get, keep them in line with national taxation and let them see how well they would do.

They may become a global leader in something. Or they may just find that running a sudo country with no more than its other parts is a bit harder than they think.

[Jackdaw33]

It is not written in stone but it has been the custom from time immemorial that upon marriage a woman adopts her husband's name, rank, style and title. A classic example is Princess Michael of Kent; she can't call herself Princess Christine, her real name. If she chooses not to do so then that is up to her but it is no discourtesy to use the age-old formula.