Trump Wants To End Birthright Citizenship

[naomi24]

//For nearly 160 years, the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution has established the principle that anyone born in the country is a US citizen.

But as part of his crackdown on migrant numbers, Trump is seeking to deny citizenship to children of migrants who are either in the country illegally or on temporary visas.

The move appears to have public backing. A poll by Emerson College suggests, external many more Americans back Trump than oppose him on this.//

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c983g6zpz28o

 

Fair enough?

[bednobs]

I don't really know how it works with citizenship but as long as the country of origin of the parent give citizenship to the child it should work.I would imagine that is probably what happens already, but I'm not quite sure

[ToraToraTora]

I can see why but if they are stopping the illegals anyway this seems a bit unnecessary.

[Untitled]

will he remove citizenship from people who already have it if their parents were illegal or on short term visas??

[Untitled]

and no he does not have the right to give executive orders that violate the constitution. if they're going to let him do that then it's game over. 

[naomi24]

TTT, they're never going to stop illegals completely and this applies to those born to mothers who are in the country on temporary visas too.

[Old_Geezer]

Seems a reasonable proposal. He can't change their nationality which is from where they arrived, but citizenship is different.

 

However he ought not leave anyone without citizenship. He should ensure the country where they would have been legally born, had their parents not entered illegally, offer them citizenship instead.

 

Maybe he needs to ensure different levels of American citizenship. Full and 2nd (visitor) Tier maybe.

[douglas9401]

If your first act in a country is to break the law then you and yours get nothing.

 

[Togo]

I read this article last week Naomi. Worth a read through. 

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2025/02/the_remedy_for_birthright_citizenship.html

[Untitled]

having two tiers of citizenship is perhaps not the best idea in a country with America's history

[naomi24]

Thanks Togo.  I'll have a read.

[naomi24]

untitled.  How is it two tiers of citizenship?  People are either citizens or they're not.

[davebro3]

A dog born in a stable isn't a horse - someone said 🙄

[Ellipsis]

> For nearly 160 years, the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution has established the principle that anyone born in the country is a US citizen.

Can amendments of the US Constitution be changed, then?  Like, say, the second amendment ...

[Sinead_O]

It should go without saying that if you're in the country illegally, you and your offspring have forfeited any rights including citizenship.

[Sinead_O]

"Can amendments of the US Constitution be changed, then?  Like, say, the second amendment ..."

Yes, they absolutely can.  Three examples of this would be the 13th Amendment (Prohibiting Slavery), the 17th Amendment (Direct Election of Senators), the 19th Amendment (Granting Women the Right to Vote)

[Togo]

""All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.""

Togo edit. 

Illegal immigrants are not subject to US jurisdiction, do not pay taxes, cannot be conscripted. It follows that any offspring is likewise not subject to US jurisdiction and are not therefor entitled to birthright citizenship. 

[Untitled]

what exactly does "subject to jurisdiction" mean in the context of the US constitution?

[Untitled]

"untitled.  How is it two tiers of citizenship?  People are either citizens or they're not."

old geezer suggested it

[Untitled]

jurisdiction would appear to simply mean "subject to the authority of"... illegal immigrants are subject to the authority of the US. they are not exempt from its laws otherwise they wouldn't be illegal.