Mps Have Voted In Favour Of Assisted Dying.

[sandyRoe]

I hope the safeguards around any proposals are as strong as can be.

[naomi24]

Fiveleaves.  'Nobody is a Biden to society'.

 

Unfortunately that isn't true.   People are not always kind.

[naomi24]

Burden not Biden.  Predictive text has gone political!

[Peter Pedant]

I liked:  'Nobody is a Biden to society'.

punny

[jourdain2]

It is quite easy to think of a scenario where Gt-Grandad is left on his own and is going to require expensive care, the funding of which will entail selling the vast majority of his assets, where the children/grandchildren might express their worries about their financial situations.  Maybe even not say things out loud - but Gt-Grandad knows that he could ease their problems and that they want him to do so.

A dreadful day unless safeguards are drawn extremely tightly - and this Bill doesn't do that i.m.o..

[davebro3]

I really can't understand some of the comments here - people will condemn the dying to months of virtual torture just to ease their own conscience. Beggars belief. I think they may change their minds if/when they end up begging for an early release.

[bhg481]

If you think your children will talk you into earlier suicide so that they can have your money then a) you have brought them up badley and b) change your will.

[sandyRoe]

Isn't it often the case that parents think more of their adult children than vice versa?

[Old_Geezer]

Dunno, has  poll been taken ?

[Khandro]

Many talk about this in the third person - happening to someone else. I prefer to talk in the first person, not only would I want the tablet if I was in agony with six months of it continuing before the inevitable, but even if it never comes to that, it gives me here and now a comforting re-assurance that should it (God forbid) ever be so, there would be an available way out.  

[bednobs]

 

"Bednobs, technically yes, but effectively we have abortion on demand now."

But it always has been. If someone didn't ask for an abortion how would any one know they needed one? Are you saying that when the law was introduced people were regularly refused and no they are not or something?

[ToraToraTora]

davebro: "I really can't understand some of the comments here - people will condemn the dying to months of virtual torture just to ease their own conscience. Beggars belief. I think they may change their minds if/when they end up begging for an early release." - In my opinion the focus of this debate is missing the point. Yes all the cases highlighted are valid, put them down if they want it, no problem, agree 100%. I am concerned about where this leads that's all. If they could lay down a set of parameters that are immovable then I'd vote for it. We know they cannot so innevitably it will be challenged, goal posts moved, paramters revised. situations like those described at 21:15 will arise.

[douglas9401]

Nothing is immovable, unless it's to the advantage of government and the rich.

[ToraToraTora]

"Nothing is immovable" - thank you for underlining why this cannot be allowed.

[10ClarionSt]

Maybe it's just me but I felt sad when I saw people celebrating the result in Parliament Square. I think this is something that has to have a very personal connection and i know there are arguments from both sides, but somehow it saddened me to see them doing that. 

[ToraToraTora]

10cs because they are idiots that have no idea where this leads. This whole debate is being based on many heart rending cases that I agree should all be allowed to die if they want but the real debate gets obscured by all the emotional rowlocks. It's where this leads that I have issue with.  They are getting close to bumping off teenagers in canada already:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/medically-assisted-death-eric-coulam-b2107723.html

 

[Untitled]

i wouldn't describe them as idiots... i do understand the case for assisted dying. it is unfair that it is legal to humanely kill a suffering dog with no prospect of recovery but not to do the same for a person.
 

despite that unfairness on balance however i oppose it because the unintended consequences can be truly evil. passing a law on something is not the same as having a vote on whether it is morally right... laws have consequences for how society is run. i fear that assisted dying can very easily become a loophole to target the vulnerable. 

[naomi24]

TTT, they are not idiots and what you're saying isn't true.  They are not getting close to bumping off teenagers.  The criteria for assisted suicide is clear - and it doesn't include murder on demand.   Read your own link.

[Untitled]

but the criteria are amendable. look at holland and canada... i don't think either of those places set out with the intention to euthanise the mentally ill but that's where they are now. 

[naomi24]

I looked at Canada.  It's in TTT's link.  It doesn't mention the mentally ill.

[ToraToraTora]

11:23 it's all movable, the 20 year old in the article is challenging the law, if he wins it's another step closer to bumping off teenagers. Think it through. This is close to becoming a weapon to target the vulnerable, it will be miss used.