Sorry Legolassie, no nearer myself with these 2. Go away tomorrow for few days in fact come back the day before it needs posting. Oh well, have to make some sort of decision then. Wish I could help but Happy New Year to you anyway.... Candled
If you are stuck I suggest "Ever decreasing circles" for the EBONY one - you know - tree rings and so on, but it does seem a bit obscure and you may get a better answer from someone else!
Susan