lol Ollie. I'm no angel, nor would I ever claim to be (Trades Descriptions bods would have me on several points there lol) but I do think it's very funny what Octavius has done and am looking forward to the fall out which may, or may not, result. But, it's also quite sad that he and netibiza have experienced such a negative vibe. It reflects badly on the site and, by association, all of us ABers. Must admit, I wouldn't be too keen to join as a newbie these days. Felt a bit scary back in 2004 when I first found AB, but it's got worse since. There are some threads I would like to post on but don't, because if I said what I felt, my life on AB would be made miserable and I'd probably end up leaving. That said, my final post on this site would be very cathartic lol