Referencing And Bibliography

[shivvy]

When completing a course what info goes after the quote within an answer and what is included in the bibliography at the end of the piece?

If I insert a quote from a book and follow it with a reference like this:

(Donaldson, Jean, The Culture Clash, 2005, page 23)

what do I put in the bibliography?

Thanks.

[Tuvok]

I would say that the bibliography lists all your sources, but not necessarily repeating the page refs.

Eg.

The Book of Answers (3rd edition)
A B Users
AB Press
ISBN 0123456789


Best thing would be see how its done in the majority of your reference books.

[bookbinder]

You could do it like this:
(Donaldson, Jean. The Culture Clash, 2005. Page 23. [25])
In your bibliography, list all the references as numbers within square brackets. Your bibliography could then look like this:
[24] Defoe, Daniel. Moll Flanders. Page 12.
[25] Donaldson, Jean. The Culture Clash, 2005. Page 23.
[26] Donne, John. Problems and Paradoxes. Page 132.

[shivvy]

Thanks for your answers.

So the bibliography seems to be a repetition of the referencing? My next question then is - is a bibliography always necessary?

[Peter Pedant]

The answer is... you look at the house style.

The what ? Each publisher has a way of doing things called its house style and they will have a policy on referencing.

For Journals, everyone follows the Vancouver convention

in all the journals I wrote for - the text had superscript numbers....

Books are different esp things like Shakepeare
and yes there will be a house stle to tell you if its

Shakespeare W Hamlet Act 111 sc 1 l 1
or

Shakespeare W First Folio - the Plays 1616 213

[shivvy]

Thanks for your answer Peter though if I'm honest I didn't quite understand all of it!

I am doing an online course and emailed them to ask if they require a bibliography. Their reply was "If you refer to any external material, we would expect this to be referenced in the usual way."
However I don't really know what they mean by that.

[Tilly2]

Try googling Harvard Referencing.

[factor-fiction]

I agree with Tilly- I was just about to suggest Harvard referencing. When I did my degree dissertation I didn't remember it being a huge issue but I suppose there was no internet cutting and pasting then. When I did my PGCE though in the 2000s, and when my children did teh degree dissertations, the universities were very strict on perfect referencing (as per Harvard) and it was a bit of a pain

[shivvy]

I wasn't sure there was much need for a bibliography if I referenced accurately throughout. However I have looked up Harvard referencing and they seem to suggest that a reference list (?bibliography) is needed.

Seems like a lot of repetition and a bit of a pain if you ask me !!

[boxtops]

The bibliography will included ANYTHING you sourced when writing your piece, which have informed your writing, not only the works which you have quoted from in the text (and which therefore need referencing next to the quotation). So yes - there is some repetition, but it also shows what other books you read/articles you considered when writing your work.

You need to ask your on-line tutor which method of referencing you should be using - I know some universities require Harvard but others use different formats. Is this an accredited course?

[Peter Pedant]

or vancouver referencing:
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/library/resources/documents/vancouverreferencing.pdf