Make-Up Tested On Animals...

[MadMen]

Right. I tried to do the 'right' thing, and bought foundation that wasn't tested on animals. I have oily skin, so bought an organic make-up, thinking it would solve the problem. (it didn't)

BUT... here's my problem. Whenever I put it on, my skin gets this prickly feeling. It doesn't last long, and I don't get any kind of rash, but it just feels a bit weird.
Also, when I put it near my eyes, they start streaming??

So, my thinking is, if the make-up WAS tested on animals, then this wouldn't happen, right?

I see 'not tested on animals' on bottles of foundation, but how can you be sure that something HAS been tested on animals? That's what I want.

[Sharingan]

Your make up will have been as stringently tested as that which is tested on animals, just on people. Animal testing is the first round of make up testing it's then tested in humans, so you won't benefit. L'oreal and all of the other big companies all test on animals, so that's your answer if you really want to go down that route, but you would be better finding a hypo allergenic make up instead, which is probably NOT tested on animals.

[MadMen]

There's no way this has been tested on humans. My eyes are streaming as soon as it goes near them!
It's not just me though, I bought the same make-up for my Mum, and she said the same, so it's nothing to do with me having some kind of allergic reaction.

[woofgang]

How do you know that animals have the same sensitivities as humans?

[Old_Geezer]

You can not guarantee animal testing will catch an issue. Think thalidomide. But it has been used as a first pass of weeding out possible problem products in the past. As for allergies, can they not run in families ? I guess those that have been tested on animals are likely to be those not boasting that they haven't been.

[MadMen]

Ok, fair point woof, but I would think if they dropped a bit of foundation into the eye of a rat, then they'd be able to work out if it was going to cause irritation to a human. Surely an eye is an eye?

[Kiki-frog]

MadMen, you have had an allergic reaction to one of the ingredients. No amount of animal testing would be able to predict that.

[emmie]

humans and animals will react differently i am pretty sure, and i absolutely hate the idea that they still test products, indeed anything on animals - it's bloody barbaric.

[Old_Geezer]

I understand that some medical procedures need a living creature to test on em, and using a human would not be legal. If so then one has to weigh up the future "good" against the present "bad". I don't believe make-up is in the same boat though.

[MadMen]

Just to clarify, I also don't like the fact they test on animals.... BUT... it's going to happen no matter what. Me not buying something that's been tested on a lab rat is not going to make any difference whatsoever.

This is the third 'not tested on animals' product I have bought that's made me skin itch.

[emmie]

then you are allergic to the products, not because it's lab rat test free.

[MadMen]

But it doesn't happen with my Max Factor foundation, which has no mention of 'not tested on animals'.

[Kiki-frog]

I agree with em. And the fact that your mum had a bad reaction also suggests a basic allergy. Allergies frequently run in families. Think about it -the item wouldn't be on sale if there was some kind of toxin in it. The company would have gone out of business by now.

[woofgang]

I an shocked that you want to buy non essential items where an animal has been tortured as part of the testing process. go on youtube or google and search for videos of cosmetics being tested on animals. Is your make up so important?
Uk and now the EU have already banned it
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/today-the-eu-goes-crueltyfree-but-is-the-beauty-industrys-commitment-more-than-skin-deep-8528633.html

[emmie]

i am allergic to scented products, i come out in a rash, so i don't use, wear makeup for a start, then every other product has to be unscented. I don't know why, but they do.

[MadMen]

Non essential??

As above, I don't 'like' the fact animals are tested on, but me not buying these products isn't going to make any difference.

em, but these are 'organic' foundations - so I don't understand why they're having this effect.

[237SJ]

Have you looked on the website nottested.co.uk? That gives info about animal testing. A friend of mine has really sensitive skin and can only wear Liz Earle products. Everything else brings her out in some kind of irritation. It doesn`t matter whether the product has been tested on animals or not - you just have an intolerance. Personally, I think all that 'organic' stuff is just a lot of rubbish but that`s just me :-)

[woofgang]

no, not essential. You won't die without it.

[MadMen]

237SJ, well yeah, I tend to agree with that. It was my husband who actually bought the organic stuff for me, along with a whole load of other organic cosmetics, because I'm always moaning about my oily skin and he said it was probably down to all the chemicals I was using on my face. It's like water, it's so thin.

Woof, trust me, it is essential. Actually, I don't think I've ever been outside the house without a full face of make-up!

[Sharingan]

Honestly Madmen you don't seem to be grasping the difference between ' organic' and 'hypo-allergenic'. 'Organic' means nothing really except that the ingredients haven'#t had any chemical changes to them, ' hypo-allergenic' means it's especially made for people like you with hair triggered skins- and WILL have been tested on humans, it's just not possible to market make up that hasn't been. You had an allergic reaction, as did your mother. just try something hypo allergenic- there are lots available that haven't been tested on animals- forget the word 'organic' it means nothing useful in this instance.
Check out these links for just such products.Arbonne do hyo allergenic non animal tested stuff and everything that Superdrug do of their own brand is not tested on animals and some of their stuff is hypo-allergenic.
http://www.kmsmineralessentials.com
http://www.lush.com/
http://www.nicolemillerskincare.com/

[AlwaysConfused]

product labelling seems to mean Sugar. ~I will come out in a reaction to most things. I find the opposite ends of the spectrum work well - pricey or dirt cheap. I use Yves Saint Laurent with minimal problems (still get watery eyes) or Asda cheap as chips goods. Anything in the middle seems to be a no-no for me. Trial and error with make-up. If you go to the make-up counters in John Lewis or Debenhams, for example, they will usually give you testers - and they may be honest enough to let you know if the products HAVE been tested on animals