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The Madness Continues.
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111 which will eventually replace NHS direct, is expensive, inefficient and unnecessary and is provided as a political sop.
Do you dial 999, 111, got to a walk-in centre, go to casualty or ring your GP?
It is a nonsense.......anything to keep you away from a medically qualified person.
Some 4 years ago, the Labour Party gave the GP's a pay rise and let them off for night calls and weekend cover.........total madness.
For of a salary of over £1000,000 per annum would it be unreasonable for a GP practice of 5 to arrange one night in 5 for calls and one weekend in 5 for on call service?
The NHS is no longer the "Envy of the World" but the "Laughing stock of the World"
Do you dial 999, 111, got to a walk-in centre, go to casualty or ring your GP?
It is a nonsense.......anything to keep you away from a medically qualified person.
Some 4 years ago, the Labour Party gave the GP's a pay rise and let them off for night calls and weekend cover.........total madness.
For of a salary of over £1000,000 per annum would it be unreasonable for a GP practice of 5 to arrange one night in 5 for calls and one weekend in 5 for on call service?
The NHS is no longer the "Envy of the World" but the "Laughing stock of the World"
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Some might say that a laughing stock has considerable pulling power when it comes to huddled masses with sundry ailments though.
Have to agree with your main point though.
Educating the hard of thinking as to what actually constitutes an emergency could be somewhere that funds might be applied. Night classes on how to behave in a public place especially where there are people who are actually in distress wouldn't go amiss either.
Oh, and some burly lads with bats to keep the peace till the above take effect wouldn't go wrong.
Have to agree with your main point though.
Educating the hard of thinking as to what actually constitutes an emergency could be somewhere that funds might be applied. Night classes on how to behave in a public place especially where there are people who are actually in distress wouldn't go amiss either.
Oh, and some burly lads with bats to keep the peace till the above take effect wouldn't go wrong.
The NHS has not been 'the Envy of the world' for a very long time - it is a very good system though
The WHO ranked healthcare systems in the year 2000 and the NHS came out 18th with the 26th highest spend
The US with the highest spend only managed 38th - all those private hospitals taking profit for their shareholders I guess!
France topped the table but has the 4th highest spend
So definately room for improvement but hardly a laughing stock.
As for the 111 system - they clearly have teething problems - personally I'd give them time to bed it in a bit before writing it off
Your accusation of keeping people from medically qualified people's a bit extreme - after all this is a triage system so that people have somewhere to turn to other than A&E or posting a FAO Sqad thread on AB!
Why do you hate the NHS so much? is it because it's socialised?
Red medicine?
The WHO ranked healthcare systems in the year 2000 and the NHS came out 18th with the 26th highest spend
The US with the highest spend only managed 38th - all those private hospitals taking profit for their shareholders I guess!
France topped the table but has the 4th highest spend
So definately room for improvement but hardly a laughing stock.
As for the 111 system - they clearly have teething problems - personally I'd give them time to bed it in a bit before writing it off
Your accusation of keeping people from medically qualified people's a bit extreme - after all this is a triage system so that people have somewhere to turn to other than A&E or posting a FAO Sqad thread on AB!
Why do you hate the NHS so much? is it because it's socialised?
Red medicine?
chapta..........my "laughing stock" comment was to neutralise the Labour Party's war cry of "The NHS the Envy of the World2 which incidentally you haven't heard since 2001.
The comment was to justify the billions of £s to set up and run an inefficient service, which in other countries was maintained by GP's as part of their contract.
A costly scheme which was run and administered by "amateurs" non medically qualified personnel on a "tick box" configuration, whilst well paid GP's had the evening an weekend off.
That was my point.
The comment was to justify the billions of £s to set up and run an inefficient service, which in other countries was maintained by GP's as part of their contract.
A costly scheme which was run and administered by "amateurs" non medically qualified personnel on a "tick box" configuration, whilst well paid GP's had the evening an weekend off.
That was my point.
Totally agree with you Sqad especially ......"""It is a nonsense.......anything to keep you away from a medically qualified person."""
That seems to be the norm now in every which-way of dealing with the NHS, even the GP has said "we can't do x-rays, we're not allowed...only consultants can order those now" (gulp, spit, choke!!).
That seems to be the norm now in every which-way of dealing with the NHS, even the GP has said "we can't do x-rays, we're not allowed...only consultants can order those now" (gulp, spit, choke!!).
\\\\Why do you hate the NHS so much? is it because it's socialised?\\\
You wouldn't understand this jake, but i will try anyway.
During one's training one is instilled with the ethos that your training and qualification is the best in the world and that your expertise is uppermost in the international medical fraternity. It engenders an arrogant feeling of importance which persists until one meets doctors and experiences training in other countries and you soon find your place in the International hierarchy.
One experiences superb facilities of healthcare and training which doesn't seem to have found favour in the UK
No other country has followed the system of the NHS.
No, I have nothing against socialised medicine, only the fact that it is so often used as a Political pawn...the "Envy of the World" denigrating other medical systems of training and expertise to second place.
One ABer had the arrogance to post "Should sqad need medical treatment he would be back to the UK like a rat up a drainpipe."
This is what i have been "fighting for" for the years i have been on AB...to try an establish some sort of medical level playing field.
It will never happen because socialised medicine is here to stay..unamended.
You wouldn't understand this jake, but i will try anyway.
During one's training one is instilled with the ethos that your training and qualification is the best in the world and that your expertise is uppermost in the international medical fraternity. It engenders an arrogant feeling of importance which persists until one meets doctors and experiences training in other countries and you soon find your place in the International hierarchy.
One experiences superb facilities of healthcare and training which doesn't seem to have found favour in the UK
No other country has followed the system of the NHS.
No, I have nothing against socialised medicine, only the fact that it is so often used as a Political pawn...the "Envy of the World" denigrating other medical systems of training and expertise to second place.
One ABer had the arrogance to post "Should sqad need medical treatment he would be back to the UK like a rat up a drainpipe."
This is what i have been "fighting for" for the years i have been on AB...to try an establish some sort of medical level playing field.
It will never happen because socialised medicine is here to stay..unamended.
I think baza's almost spot on - it wasn't ready and it was brought in regardless.
Only I'll bet that wasn't the NHS's decision - I'll bet it was the health secretary's
who is - wait for it - Jeremy Hunt!
A man so qualified for the role that he is a fan of homeopathy !
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Only I'll bet that wasn't the NHS's decision - I'll bet it was the health secretary's
who is - wait for it - Jeremy Hunt!
A man so qualified for the role that he is a fan of homeopathy !
http://
To address the original question, “111” would not have been necessary had the government in the mid-2000s virtually doubled GPs’ salaries whilst allowing them to abrogate their responsibilities to their patients outside 9-5. It was an absolute scandal and was done, so the story goes, because some areas of inner London had trouble recruiting GPs. That problem still exists, doctors’ salaries have doubled and the service they provide has virtually halved. Another great success story.
Now, instead of having a qualified doctor assess your illness you are diagnosed at the end of a phone. And great shock and amazement ensues when people pitch up at A&E with problems which previously could have been dealt with by a quick out-of-hours visit.
Now, instead of having a qualified doctor assess your illness you are diagnosed at the end of a phone. And great shock and amazement ensues when people pitch up at A&E with problems which previously could have been dealt with by a quick out-of-hours visit.
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