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The Truth Comes Out. How Is Your Body?
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So basically covid was no more dangerous than the flu? But they made people take a vax and also had to abide by passport laws showing personal information to ener places and not to mention vaccine mandates.
I hope you all didn't take the unnecessary vaccine which has no long yer data?
But my main question is this. Who is still going to have the booster?
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Teapots, you still aren't comparing like with like. Viruses evolve- and the most successful, like colds, will infect as many as possible, while doing as little harm as possible. It is not in their evolution to kill off or make their hosts very unwell.
Covid is new, and still "learning" (hopefully omicron is a good sign).
But comparing a new and wild virus, with one that has evolved to survive with us, just doesn't make sense.
Covid is new, and still "learning" (hopefully omicron is a good sign).
But comparing a new and wild virus, with one that has evolved to survive with us, just doesn't make sense.
Spicerack, the data on that website is pulled from the various governments it refers to. You can run the same tests yourself if you don't trust them.
I think we're far enough down the path that most people have made their own minds up about whether to get vaccinated or not. It is however mildly concerning to see the OP recommending against vaccination while not being sure exactly what vaccination means.
I think we're far enough down the path that most people have made their own minds up about whether to get vaccinated or not. It is however mildly concerning to see the OP recommending against vaccination while not being sure exactly what vaccination means.
//No I did not say all adults in Portugal must get vaccinated or fined. I said that tourists who do not comply with mask use are fine and not showing proof of vaccination to eat in a restaurant are not allowed in//
I find Portugal's approach very odd. I understand that they have vaccinated almost their entire population (figures show 203 doses administered per 100 head). So as many of their own people who want it must have by now had it. Yet, considering they depend heavily on tourism, they persist with two of the most absurd restrictions yet devised. They insist on people wearing flimsy, ill fitting masks which are never worn properly and provide next to no protection to either the user or those around them. And they insist on proof of vaccination to enter premises when vaccination neither stops the vaccinated contracting the virus nor prevents it being passed on. These measures seem even more odd when you consider that in the last week Portugal has recorded more than three times as many new cases per head than the UK, where restrictions are nowhere near as severe (at least not in England). Still, I suppose that if you do something over and over again you might eventually end up with a different outcome.
As far as the vaccine goes, I know of nobody who has died from Covid. I know two people who died and had it entered on their death certificates but neither died from it. I know nobody who has died from the effects of the vaccine. I know one or two people (me included) who suffered mild after effects for a day at most.
However, my brother-in-law and his son (my nephew) are both anti-vaxxers. They are not simply people who have decided not to have the vaccine. They have done all they can to persuade anybody who will listen that they should not have it. They explained to me that Covid was no worse than a cold and we should not be “allowing the government to invade our bodies with untested drugs” to lessen the risk of suffering from a cold.
Moving swiftly on, they both contracted Covid a week or so ago, the most likely source being my nephew’s daughter who tested positive. My nephew (aged 40 next birthday) is now seriously ill in hospital where he has been on oxygen for about five days. There was talk of placing him on a ventilator before the weekend though it seems his condition has slightly improved. His father, strangely, is not quite so ill though has been confined to bed at home for the best part of a week. His wife (Mrs NJ's sister) is fully vaccinated and is thankfully fully well. She has been worried sick about her son whilst having to care for her husband.
So, based purely on that very limited anecdotal evidence, I'd go with the vaccine any day.
I find Portugal's approach very odd. I understand that they have vaccinated almost their entire population (figures show 203 doses administered per 100 head). So as many of their own people who want it must have by now had it. Yet, considering they depend heavily on tourism, they persist with two of the most absurd restrictions yet devised. They insist on people wearing flimsy, ill fitting masks which are never worn properly and provide next to no protection to either the user or those around them. And they insist on proof of vaccination to enter premises when vaccination neither stops the vaccinated contracting the virus nor prevents it being passed on. These measures seem even more odd when you consider that in the last week Portugal has recorded more than three times as many new cases per head than the UK, where restrictions are nowhere near as severe (at least not in England). Still, I suppose that if you do something over and over again you might eventually end up with a different outcome.
As far as the vaccine goes, I know of nobody who has died from Covid. I know two people who died and had it entered on their death certificates but neither died from it. I know nobody who has died from the effects of the vaccine. I know one or two people (me included) who suffered mild after effects for a day at most.
However, my brother-in-law and his son (my nephew) are both anti-vaxxers. They are not simply people who have decided not to have the vaccine. They have done all they can to persuade anybody who will listen that they should not have it. They explained to me that Covid was no worse than a cold and we should not be “allowing the government to invade our bodies with untested drugs” to lessen the risk of suffering from a cold.
Moving swiftly on, they both contracted Covid a week or so ago, the most likely source being my nephew’s daughter who tested positive. My nephew (aged 40 next birthday) is now seriously ill in hospital where he has been on oxygen for about five days. There was talk of placing him on a ventilator before the weekend though it seems his condition has slightly improved. His father, strangely, is not quite so ill though has been confined to bed at home for the best part of a week. His wife (Mrs NJ's sister) is fully vaccinated and is thankfully fully well. She has been worried sick about her son whilst having to care for her husband.
So, based purely on that very limited anecdotal evidence, I'd go with the vaccine any day.
Its not me that's comparing the 2 pixie, its ukanonymous who's making covid sound no different to the flu. Just to satisfy lets ask the OP who thinks covid is no more dangerous than flu, to name any other virus in the last 20years that's killed so many NHS staff within 2 years. If he or she can't, that makes covid very dangerous.
I didn't 'pick up' on anything, Sb.
At the head of every paragraph they reminded everyone they had switched to 'age-related' stats. And they even had stand alone boxes assuring us it was all perfectly legitimate and that the EU had been doing it for years.
You must think I have a tremendous imagination to just make this stuff up. And to what end? To win a battle of wits with a mental giant such as yourself. Sure, I know you disregard anything that doesn't fit your narrative. Just like Ellipsis.
It's a great wonder I'm not paranoid.
At the head of every paragraph they reminded everyone they had switched to 'age-related' stats. And they even had stand alone boxes assuring us it was all perfectly legitimate and that the EU had been doing it for years.
You must think I have a tremendous imagination to just make this stuff up. And to what end? To win a battle of wits with a mental giant such as yourself. Sure, I know you disregard anything that doesn't fit your narrative. Just like Ellipsis.
It's a great wonder I'm not paranoid.
Spicerack
I didn't 'pick up' on anything, Sb.
At the head of every paragraph they reminded everyone they had switched to 'age-related' stats. And they even had stand alone boxes assuring us it was all perfectly legitimate and that the EU had been doing it for years.
You must think I have a tremendous imagination to just make this stuff up. And to what end? To win a battle of wits with a mental giant such as yourself. Sure, I know you disregard anything that doesn't fit your narrative. Just like Ellipsis.
It's a great wonder I'm not paranoid.
Indeed it is
Ok sport
I didn't 'pick up' on anything, Sb.
At the head of every paragraph they reminded everyone they had switched to 'age-related' stats. And they even had stand alone boxes assuring us it was all perfectly legitimate and that the EU had been doing it for years.
You must think I have a tremendous imagination to just make this stuff up. And to what end? To win a battle of wits with a mental giant such as yourself. Sure, I know you disregard anything that doesn't fit your narrative. Just like Ellipsis.
It's a great wonder I'm not paranoid.
Indeed it is
Ok sport
//Hope your relative is over the worst and improves swiftly NJ//
Thanks, sticky. I don't wish him any ill but both he and his father are pillocks. It's Mrs NJ's sister who is bearing the brunt of their stupidity.
//I think New Judge repeating the 90% nonsense shows how if you tell a lie often enough even intelligent people will start to believe it.//
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Thanks, sticky. I don't wish him any ill but both he and his father are pillocks. It's Mrs NJ's sister who is bearing the brunt of their stupidity.
//I think New Judge repeating the 90% nonsense shows how if you tell a lie often enough even intelligent people will start to believe it.//
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Your out-laws are unusual, NJ.
You seldom see, so-called, anti-vaxxers trying to stop other people from being vaccinated. Many of them are vaccinated.
Generally speaking, they're against what they consider Government overreach. Vaccine mandates, vaccinating children, senseless lockdown rules, etc.
Oh, and the strange people who seem to 'thrive', if that's the right word, on all the panic porn.
You seldom see, so-called, anti-vaxxers trying to stop other people from being vaccinated. Many of them are vaccinated.
Generally speaking, they're against what they consider Government overreach. Vaccine mandates, vaccinating children, senseless lockdown rules, etc.
Oh, and the strange people who seem to 'thrive', if that's the right word, on all the panic porn.
Ref. Portugal: People are flocking into the country from all over the place, maybe it's to do with that factor for the vaccination rules.
People from China can BUY their way in, by giving a large sum to the government, so scandalously buying property & gaining a Portuguese passport & citizenship of the EU !
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Also Jews from anywhere ditto in Spain, because the Government is now allowing it as compensation for (believe it or not) the Spanish Inquisition !
People from China can BUY their way in, by giving a large sum to the government, so scandalously buying property & gaining a Portuguese passport & citizenship of the EU !
https:/
Also Jews from anywhere ditto in Spain, because the Government is now allowing it as compensation for (believe it or not) the Spanish Inquisition !
SR //You seldom see, so-called, anti-vaxxers trying to stop other people//
So what about this then?
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So what about this then?
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//You seldom see, so-called, anti-vaxxers trying to stop other people from being vaccinated.//
These two are complete, full blown conspiracy theorists. I'll not bore you with the details but I've given up discussing anything relating to the pandemic with either of them; it's like talking to somebody who believes that the Earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese.
It has had unfortunate repercussions. Mrs NJ's brother will not be in the same room as anybody who he knows is not vaccinated, I find this stance equally bizarre because he gets out and about to pubs, hotels and restaurants where he hasn't a clue about the vaccine status of those around him. But the effect of this is that brother and sister will no longer meet. They live 200 miles apart so a quick coffee or meet up in the pub is not on.
I won't lose any sleep over it but there's two things I hope for: (1) that both of the idiots make a full recovery and (2) their experiences may change their views on Covid being no worse than a cold. But I'll not hold my breath.
These two are complete, full blown conspiracy theorists. I'll not bore you with the details but I've given up discussing anything relating to the pandemic with either of them; it's like talking to somebody who believes that the Earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese.
It has had unfortunate repercussions. Mrs NJ's brother will not be in the same room as anybody who he knows is not vaccinated, I find this stance equally bizarre because he gets out and about to pubs, hotels and restaurants where he hasn't a clue about the vaccine status of those around him. But the effect of this is that brother and sister will no longer meet. They live 200 miles apart so a quick coffee or meet up in the pub is not on.
I won't lose any sleep over it but there's two things I hope for: (1) that both of the idiots make a full recovery and (2) their experiences may change their views on Covid being no worse than a cold. But I'll not hold my breath.
> Why would the government mislead about the number of covid deaths then? What is the reason?
Great questions!
If you believe the Government is misleading us, why don't you tell us what they stand to gain from misleading us?
If you believe the Government wants us to take a vaccine we don't need, why not try telling us what they stand to gain from getting us to take a vaccine we don't need?
Lots of people dead, economy trashed ... if they've been lying all along, what do they stand to gain from it?
Great questions!
If you believe the Government is misleading us, why don't you tell us what they stand to gain from misleading us?
If you believe the Government wants us to take a vaccine we don't need, why not try telling us what they stand to gain from getting us to take a vaccine we don't need?
Lots of people dead, economy trashed ... if they've been lying all along, what do they stand to gain from it?
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