Non Binary

[Stableford]

I'm a bit old-school, admittedly, but just trying to wrap my head around why someone identifying as "non-binary" can compete in a women's competition?  Is it because there isn't a "non binary" category, and if so, why have "they" been chosen to compete in the womens rather than the mens?  

www.breitbart.com/sports/2024/08/08/bbc-olympics-commentator-corrected-on-air-after-misgendering-us-shot-putter/

Is it craziness, or is there actually an explanation?

[jackthehat]

Sex = Woman

Gender = Non-binary

She has no genetic advantage over the other women competitiors with this made-up nonsense.

[10ClarionSt]

I don't know. Probably because having been a man (she would have a stronger physique), it would be easier to win a medal. Anyway, I don't know if it's just me, but looking at all those "women" in the boxing, none of them look like women to me. They all look like men, especially the two who are banned from everywhere except th'olympics.

[Stableford]

Thanks JTH- that's helpful, and pretty much answers my question.  Could this person compete in the men's competition if "they" so wished,  and if not, why not?

[Stableford]

Thanks 10CS- Did we have all this silliness in the last Olympics, or has the world just gone crackers in the last four years, I wonder?

[barry1010]

Saunders was born a woman, is still a woman biologically.  Never taken any drugs to alter, stunt, change that fact.

Saunders has chosen to be described as non-binary within the definition of that term: denoting, having, or relating to a gender identity that does not conform to traditional binary beliefs about gender, which indicate that all individuals are exclusively either male or female.

I cannot understand what compels anyone to do this, in the same way I don't understand why some men are attracted to men.  It doesn't alter the fact that Saunders is still physically as nature intended, 100% female

[barry1010]

10C, Saunders never was a man.

[ToraToraTora]

It's just another way attention seeking weirdos have to try and point themselves out. I refuse to join in with this rowlocks. She's a she, end of.

[jackthehat]

No, despite all appearances to the contrary, she is a woman.

Her non-binary status is a declaration that her brain either doesn't feel particularly male/female.....or feels both male/female.

She'd fail spectacularly competing against men (which is why men should not compete against women) even if she was allowed to......which she wouldn't. Although, if she got a passport with a M (for male) perhaps the IOC would let her join the men's competition?

[Stableford]

I'm clearly too old- it's utterly confusing.  And so far as I can see, open to abuse.  What is the point of "non-binary"?  Can't we just say men or women?  Why does anyone have to "self-identify" as anything else?  And more to the point, why does anyone take any notice?  I could self-identify as a rabbit, but wouldn't expect to be addressed as Bugs on demand.  

[theshedman]

I am old school too.  The other day I received a letter from council signed with a man's name and with this after it, (He/Him/His).  What is this all about.  What's wrong with the old Mr or Mrs these days surely they have to be one or the other.

[jackthehat]

Non-binary folk like to let you know that they are non-binary.....rather like vegans. 😁

The use of 'personal pronouns' anywhere on professional/business letters, name-tags, etc. indicates that either the company, or the person, you are dealing with are insufferably captured by gender-identity politics.

theshedman - You may cause real offence to Brian in Accounts if you refer to him as Mr instead of Miss, as per the personal pronouns she/her on his correspondence. It really has got that daft, now.

[theshedman]

JTH, as Catherine Tate would have said "am I bovvered"  To old and stuck in my ways to change too much.  I remember getting sent home from work because I turned up without a tie one day and had to come back in with it on the same day.  These days men turn up for work with a dress or skirt on and they think they are properly dressed.  I give up with some things these days.

[newmodarmy]

//I remember getting sent home from work because I turned up without a tie one day//

 I remember having to spend 2 hours travelling back home and back to work when refused entry because I'd forgotten my suit jacket. Twenty five years later shorts and flip flops are seen as fine. Not directly relevant I know, but your post brought  back a memory.

[dave50]

The term is used by attention seekers who have psychological  problems. 

[Mozz71]

Non binary just means they do not identify as either male or female (non binary folk tend to use the pronouns "they/them"). It's just their preference, it doesn't affect their participation under their birth gender.

[DDIL]

Good afternoon,

a very sweeping statement from Dave @1157.

I wonder how you would cope if one of your grandchildren decided to become non-binary? Or perhaps they wouldn't tell you because you wouldn't understand.

 

[jackthehat]

Having been a child of the 'gender-bending' 1980's.....my child/grandchild would not phase me however they decided to dress or present themselves.

[Khandro]

Unless this is definitively sorted out, women's sport is finished.

Entering men in women's events (& taking dope) used to be, decades ago,  the prerogative of the USSR, but now it's becoming clear it is a growing trend.

I watched some women's rowing this morning & found myself beginning to wonder why how few seemed to have tits.

[youngmafbog]

Correct, non binary is an attention seeking concept.

Unfortunately it riles some up who then take it out on others such as the Gay community who just want to get on with their lives.

But, this is the World we live in, at least until either Islam or the Chinese takes over the West.  Than it will stop abruptly.

[Mozz71]

13:11. Khandro, non-binary has no effect on women's sport whatsover. They don't attempt to cross over from male to female sports, they just play as their birth gender, with no enhancements or advantages.