kids visting a mosque

[Blyss]

My kids school has no set reglion , and today all the kids aged 9 to 12 were to visit a mosque . I first the parents were okish about this idea , as we were told two weeks before hand , yesturday though My daughter came home and told us that she needed a head scarf and a covering for her face ..shes only 9!!!
We felt that , this practice was going a bit far and kept the kids of school today ...as did most of the parents .
I am all for the kids learning new reglions and vivsting places with the school , but I felt that making my daughter dress in that way was a bit over the top .

what would you have done??

[Blyss]

mosque in glasgow ..as far as Im aware the teachers where only told yesturday about the face covering as well.

[Pea Pod]

It`s a brave person that will tell a Glasgow lass what to do.

[4getmenot]

Just a mosque in Glasgow makes me laugh

[bednobs]

i think your 9 year old may have got it wrong.
After all, you would expect the school to tell the parents what the dress code is for trips, not leave it for 9 yar olds to muddle the message up

[Rubyrose]

I must say I am with Agent Smith on this one.. if some Muslim children were taken to a Church and asked to remove their veils then there would be uproar! It would be considered a total disrespect to their religion! Its fine to take the children to a mosque, but as Flipflop said.. as long as they are going to visit other places of worship as well for an even coverage on the subject... but to make them wear veils.... I find this shocking!!!!

My friends little boy got taken to a Mosque for a school trip (fair enough) but they are now teaching the kids to write in Arabic and they have banned all pork products from the school as there is one Muslim boy! They haven't taken the kids to visit a Church though.... bare in mind, my friends boy is 6yrs old!

I am all for equality and all that and am in NO WAY a racist person but we need to take a look around now.... because I think we are now the 'Ethnic Minority'!!!!

[noxlumos]

Which mosque in Glasgow was it Blyss and I'll have a deeper look into this as nowhere in the Koran does it say that women have to cover their whole face? I would have allowed my little girl to go and provided what was requested as it's a learning experience for them. My kids have been to Mosques and my daughter did not have to have a face covering, so this seems very reactionary and odd to me.

[Blyss]

i have no idea what mosque in glasgow ..I think there is only one there anyways .
My x hubby has the kids during the week and I have them froma friday after school til a monday monring plus all hoilday time ..so we have a share care thing going on . I got all this infromation from him and a friend , so I cant see it being wrong.
My husband came home from work tonight and I was telling him what happened ..He put it this way ..if the kids were asked to vist a calthoic chruch would the mulsim kids be allowed by there parent to cross themself and use the holy water???
With My daughter and there friends as there is no mulsim woman around where I live or kids that dress that way ..they were kinda scared of what would happen to them . Although We have told them that nothing would happen ..Im afraid that TV and the new /media and just the fear of the unknown to a 9 year old was way to much for her and her friends to handle .

[Octavius]

That was my point nox. The Glasgow Central Mosque and Islamic Centre is the main one and although that encourages school groups and is an educational centre, it also promotes it�s culture and rules within it�s own walls which includes being dressed appropriately to enter a place of Islamic worship. These rules are the ones that I have already said so I think that somebody somewhere has it all wrong, and I suspect it is either Blyss, the child or the school. So please don�t go waving the patriotic flag until you know all the facts.

[Octavius]

ps nox, I didn't mean you (about the patriotic flag waving thing).

[Octavius]

Rubyrose, you may claim not to be a racist but you certainly seem to have the ideology of a bigot. Who exactly are the 'we' in your post?

Blyss, I missed your last post but having now read it I can understand how this whole thread has arisen. A muslim child visiting a church would be welcome to use the holy water and make the sign of the cross - but why would they? Are you saying the priest or vicar would force them to? Surely such an act would go against their religious principles (nothing to do with dress code or respect). I doubt the priest would let them receive Holy Communion, but do you think it is their right to receive it?

Will you next be telling us that your child has to walk everywhere with a prayer mat under their arm and pray five times a day from the Qur'ān?

�The public is so in awe of its own opinion that it never dares to form any, but catches up the first idle rumour, lest it should be behindhand in its judgment, and echoes it till it is deafened with the sound of its own voice�

[Lonnie]

Thats okay, if its part of the learning process, but if I were you. i'd ask them if they had plans to visit other religeous establishments as well.

[laurence2]

Blyss, i would of done exactly the same, further more, i would'nt of given them permission to go to a mosque full stop.

And before anyone trys to jump on me from a great height, forget it, next there be wanting us to wear a head scarf etc, if you walk pass there house or them in the street.

And if any muslims don't like my view, well tough, we can all quote freedom of speech etc

[noxlumos]

Whyever Laurence, would you want to stop your child learning about another religion and culture? Isn't that the only way we'll all live in harmony if we all attempt at least to understand one another? Or is that not what you want? My kids have visited all major religions' places of worship, and have incidentally always been treated with the utmost respect by all of them ( even when in a Mosque whilst talking to someone my daughter mentioned that her Mum is Jewish) so what problems can there really be in what is actually an educational visit to extend the hand of understanding?

[laurence2]

nox, where all entitled to our views, you,ve said yours, i,ve said mine, i don't need to explain myself, living in birmingham, you get 1st hand experience of what alot of muslims are really like, i am not tarnishing them all, but a big majority HATE whites, there are no go areas for police & whites, they are rude ie no please, no thankyou, no holding doors open, no queuing at bus stops, but thats ok?

I am not a racist, but if i'm not respected, i will not respect you, immaterial of colour, religion, or accent

[lulu85]

I have to say, this thread has turned into a racism argument.

I am in no way racist.

It p**$$es me off something chronic (sp?) when any person refers to another of different skin colour or orientation to that of theirs as 'them'.

How small minded?

I'm sorry, but you cannot make a decision on a whole community based on the act of one.

FOR EXAMPLE:
One Asian person was rude to me today , thet mean's 'they' are all like that coming over here acting like it's 'their' country...

What a load of bulls*&t if you are born in the UK or are a British citizen it is your country, no matter what your ethnicity or colour.

We should embrace other cultures/religions/communties and learn about each, so that peace can be found worldwide.

Most racism or any 'ism' is fear of the unknown.

Some of my friends come out with comments like 'Im not racist, I just hate p's' (sorry, I cant bring myself to even type that word as it is so deroggartry (sp?)), that must be one of the most racist comments I have ever heard in my life!

How can you be so bl00dy small minded? Get with the times!

And for the record, I am white. And I believe that white people can be the subject of racism also, so I am not just coming from someone without white skin's point.

[laurence2]

And what ''times'' might they be then lulu85?

Are you the politically correct type, my money says you are, and if i want to comment on race, religion, colour etc, i will. And for the record, its muslims that are racist, open your eyes, and come into the real world, your wearing blinkers

[lulu85]

laurence2 the "times" I am refering to, are gone are the days when any person of different orientation to white hid away or were treated as slaves.

And I am pc, not to the over the top point as most go these days, some things are just simply ott, i.e. the fact that children are no longer allowed to sing 'baa baa black sheep' its a flipping nursery rhyme!

I think that if a person annoys you, they annoy you, and this is be regardless of their skin colour/religion etc.

As I am probably annoying you now laurence2 - does that mean you are going to refer to me as a 'white b*@ch' and say that as I have a spanish background (my great grandfather) I should return to spain?! How rediculous!

[laurence2]

Now whos being childish, Why would i refer to you as a white B*@CH, and bring uo your spanish background?

It seems your getting a little p!$$ed with me, because i ''don't'' share your views.

I'll tell you what, you stick to your views, and i'll stick to mine, i'm happy with that, lets hope you will be in years to come.

[Blyss]

thanks Zeb !!
I was asking for views on this , not for it to turn into a battle ground ..I think we have enough of them at present .
Also , I really didnt understand the full reason for My kids being off school until My x called me this morning at 7 am and asked me If I would take them ,,cus he was at "Uni".
It was only after that ..I kinda got the full story , from the kids , from My x , and from My friend.