on November 12th 1918 the day after the guns fell silent, a British Army patrol was in what had been German territory throughout the war,when they came across a military cemetry, which contained the well kept graves of German, French and British soldiers. In the middle of the cemetry they discovered a monument with the words "Our brave fallen comrades" When you observe the 2 minutes silence tommorow, please remember the dead from all sides in all armed conflicts.
sorry john for my ignorance but had the german army been burying the english and french soldiers aswell as there own?? and kept the graves clean and tidy in respect?
an enemy is only an enemy when the battle is being fought.
millions of average men have been lost in battle over the years.
i have respect for each man, woman and child lost in war.
nationaliyt, colour and religion all fall to the way side at 11am on the 11-11.
the sunday rememberance service is for ALL that fell.
Our country's enemies belived that their cause was a just cause, they also deserve our rememberance.
My campaign medals are all polished, im off for a shower, shave sh1t + shampoo, them im going our on a reunion and were going to get royally p1ssed.
I'll be at the Cenetph in Leicester's Victoria Park tommorow if any ABer's care to join me, if not, God Bless you all anyway
i think you guys are taking this out of context..
its not intended as a debate about whats right or wrong. good or bad ! its about showing respect to the people that fought and died for their country.
if you have no respect for a foreign army, dont remember them... cant be any easier than that can it ??
john has just given us something to think about and remember if we choose to.
im just expanding the point and wardy is responding with a different view all of which is linked to the original question, but lets all agree on everything
Very magnaimous to remember our enemies and all that in theory, but I too have trouble to be honest shedding tears over certain groups (Nazi's spring to mind) and also what consitutes a soldier as opposed to a terrorist or a freedom fighter or an insurgent?Is it just the uniform? I think nice idea though it is, you are on sticky ground once you try to be all encompassing of the fallen in war. I have infinate sympathy for anyone whose been lost in a bloody conflict, I have no sympathy for soldiers responsible for the deaths of Jews in the holocaust. Just because you were unlucky enough to be killed in warfare does not mean you are a good man.We should remember those who fell fighting a better world (on any side) but not just soldiers randomly imho, and there is no disrespect intended there at all.I believe we should remember people's gifts to us,but at the same time not be blind to the difference between a 16 year old lad who thought he was saving his family by fighting in the trenches and a psychopath who enjoyed inflincting death and misery on people.They are not the same thing and they should not be honoured equally.
Nice post john thank you for that. As per WM is being a bit of a cokc. 'The same women feeding and breeding for Taliban terrorists'?! So you actually think women have free will in Afghanistan? Your ignorance is staggering. :(
Wardy + Noxlumos, I dont think john was saying we should glorify war,
Ward~Minter, I think those women + children were there not through choice, rather because they had an AK47 opinted at their heads
Noxlonus, I agree on your point about one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter , however we are missing the point and I think john is saying that the only people who glorify war are those who dont have to fight in one.
Remember too, it's politicians who make wars start not people, they are just the cannon fodder (literally) who have to try to sort it out..They are all someones sons or fathers.
I was in the middle of Primark in Manchester City Centre, they were great, made a number of announcements leading up to it then for the start of the silence.
The whole store (and believe me it's packed and mad on a weekend in there) fell still and silent and you could hear the main shopping street fall silent and trams stop and such. Being surrounded by so many people made things seem so much more real, human cost and such.