Heaven & Hell

[Theland]

Are you hopeful / worried about going to heaven / hell?

[naz_nomad]

god (note the lack of a capital G) was merely invented as a scapegoat for religious idiots when their lives were disrupted by uncontrollable acts of nature or man.

[Theland]

Ladywoman - No, not a bearded old man, but a person, infinitely powerful, majestic and glorious.
Whether you believe in Him or not, does not alter the fact that one day, you will stand before Him and give account of yourself. Then you will be eternally enjoined with Him, or eternally seperated from Him. That is a fact.

[Theland]

Naz-nomad - methinks you are lacking more than a capital G

[ladywoman]

You still havent told me who this man is, Theland. Where does he live. Does he nip down to B and Q on a Saturday morning or go to the footie. I think you have been watching too much Dr Who!! I dont mean to be disrespectful of your beliefs, but I still dont understand who he is supposed to be.

[naz_nomad]

Strikes me that you're not exactly ''typing with a full alphabet'' matey

[naz_nomad]

***''METHINKS''*** that rings a bell ...are you letting your facade slip to reveal your 'real' identity?

[ladywoman]

Actually Theland it sounds as if you are talking about Raysparx!!!

[ladywoman]

Naz_nomad I think your scapegoat theory is closer to the truth - I am with you on that one

[naz_nomad]

Wow ... ray is god? ... how cool would that be?

[naz_nomad]

it must be ray ... he's the only omnipotent guy we know

[Theland]

Ladywoman - This "Man" as you call Him, is the one true living God, the creator of all that is created in heaven and earth.
He is God the Father, God the Son, and god the Holy Spirit, the one true God.
Not three Gods, but one God in three persons, each uniquely God, and each in such loving fellowship that together they are one God. This is the "Mystery Of The Trinity," accepted by faith from what we are told in the Bible.

[RATTER15]

Naz, I think some people need something to hang on to when things aren't going well and some of us have learned to stand on our own two feet.

[joko]

you cannot blame the us for the starving children in the third world!!

we did not give them disease ridden water to drink

we did not make the land so dry and barren that it is unfit to grow food in.

we did not give them mosquitos to spread diseases such as malaria

we didn't do that - god made the earth didn't he?

we are only now in a position to do something about it - because it is the 21st century and we actually know about the problem.
how many thousands of years have people suffered and had no help because the people of other parts of the world didn't even know they existed, let alone give them aid?

do you think the victorians were aware of the plight of the 3rd world?

however, religion has overcrowded many of these areas because they won't use contraception - as its against gods will....mmm...


theland - what you are saying is what you BELIEVE not FACT - please try to see the difference.
you merely repeating that it is fact is not actually very convincing

[Theland]

Accepting the Holy Trinity is accepting the fact that we do not have the mental or spiritual capacity to understand this concept that is so greater than us.
Animals don't understand the concept of computers, and we don't understand the whole concept of God. Except what He reveals to us. There is the analogy.

[naz_nomad]

you're probably right Ratter ... i didn't blame ''god'' when I got cancer, just dealt with it and got the fukc on with my life ...

I quote a line from a 'famous' song by The Damned ...

''So many people are weak enough to have to seek answers from the pedlars of hope''


says it all really, eh?

[ladywoman]

Well, that's that sorted out then. As long as its omnipotent and not impotent!!!

[naz_nomad]

joko ... the Victorians probably weren't aware of 3rd world problems ... any more than we wouldn't be if we had no TV.

and I may need to pull you up on the whole ''god made the Earth'' issue ...

[Theland]

Joko - Please please come back tomorrow and let me answer you. I'm not running away, but midnight, beauty sleep and all that. I'm sure you'll understand. You too Naz & Ladywoman.
Honestly, I'm quite sane.
Good night, and God bless.

[naz_nomad]

if god wants me blessed, he can bloody well come down here & do it him/herself

[ladywoman]

Theland, it was you who said it was a person, not me - ma n or woman it doesnt matter. and if this so called person is so wonderful, as everyone says why is so much sh*t allowed to happen in the world.