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Ipswich Murders
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Just been watching the CCTV footage of that poor girl before she died and them saying she was pregnant as well.
I know there are far wider issues to the debate, this question is in relation to the murder of a pregnant woman and not the law in relation to abortion, but what does everyone think as to whether the punishment awarded when they find the evil *******(s) taking the lives of these women should also represent the death caused to the child as the current law does not recognise the life of a child until it draws it first breath.
I know there are far wider issues to the debate, this question is in relation to the murder of a pregnant woman and not the law in relation to abortion, but what does everyone think as to whether the punishment awarded when they find the evil *******(s) taking the lives of these women should also represent the death caused to the child as the current law does not recognise the life of a child until it draws it first breath.
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Jenna, I disagree with you. If their is no intent to kill the unborn child then this will open up a can of worms and give the woman (or more the unborn child) rights not conducive with fairness.
For example if the murderer is tried for the killing of the unborn child (with no specific malice aforethought towards that child) it will make a mockery of our current murder laws.
Also where will the ball stop? Say for example I drive dangerously causing only injury to a woman but forcing the miscarriage of her baby. Should I be tried for death by dangerous? I agree with the current law and say no. Whilst heartbreaking and perhaps wrong, it will be a a legal minefield.
Or, another example, I use reasonable force on a woman to defend myself and punch her in the stomach. Unaware she is up the duff I kill her baby. That is not reasonable, but should I really be tried for murder? No way.
As sad as it is, an unborn child should remain lifeless (legally, that is) until he or she draws its first breath.
This has caused my Christian beliefs to be questioned as I am strongly for "pro-choice" and see nothing wrong with abortion (even later than the 24 weeks (?).
A baby is a poo machine with jammy fingers and dribbling attributes, NOT a fetus curled up in a mothers womb waiting for the discovery of life. Be that life, Gods will or natural selection.
For example if the murderer is tried for the killing of the unborn child (with no specific malice aforethought towards that child) it will make a mockery of our current murder laws.
Also where will the ball stop? Say for example I drive dangerously causing only injury to a woman but forcing the miscarriage of her baby. Should I be tried for death by dangerous? I agree with the current law and say no. Whilst heartbreaking and perhaps wrong, it will be a a legal minefield.
Or, another example, I use reasonable force on a woman to defend myself and punch her in the stomach. Unaware she is up the duff I kill her baby. That is not reasonable, but should I really be tried for murder? No way.
As sad as it is, an unborn child should remain lifeless (legally, that is) until he or she draws its first breath.
This has caused my Christian beliefs to be questioned as I am strongly for "pro-choice" and see nothing wrong with abortion (even later than the 24 weeks (?).
A baby is a poo machine with jammy fingers and dribbling attributes, NOT a fetus curled up in a mothers womb waiting for the discovery of life. Be that life, Gods will or natural selection.
No, this shouln't be considered when this person goes to trial.
I totally agree, that if this woman was 3 months pregnant, thus making you think she was probably intending to keep the baby, you'd be inclined to think it a double murder, but I think it would lead to too much confusion, legally. Causing a precedent is a very delicate matter. As WM said, what if you accidentaly caused a woman to miscarry, obviously not knowing she was pregnant? you would be tried for murder then...
It's a very complicated and sensitive issue. All I can say is, I hope this psycho is caught soon, and tried for his crimes. God bless the victims.
I totally agree, that if this woman was 3 months pregnant, thus making you think she was probably intending to keep the baby, you'd be inclined to think it a double murder, but I think it would lead to too much confusion, legally. Causing a precedent is a very delicate matter. As WM said, what if you accidentaly caused a woman to miscarry, obviously not knowing she was pregnant? you would be tried for murder then...
It's a very complicated and sensitive issue. All I can say is, I hope this psycho is caught soon, and tried for his crimes. God bless the victims.