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Property transfer - undue influence & unconscionability
I have recieved a copy of my grandfathers claim and have appointed a solicitor. They are claiming that my grandfather at the time of the transfer was suffering with a disability because he is of limited intelligence, has a poor education and poor financial understanding. Strange because for years he has lived on his own managed his own affairs, kept all his bills paid up to date and even managed to save a couple of thousand. Social services called on him about 2 years ago and stated he appeared capable of managing his own affairs. At a recent assessment he was described as not suffering with dementia. Does lack of education constitute a disability. (he can read and write). How will they prove he did not understand what he was doing in 1998 when the transfer was carried out. Several of his family members also knew about the transfer and never raised any objections at the time. Any Comments. Nicola.
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.Thanks again Didwot. I live in South Wales and my solicitors will appoint a decent barrister (hopefully). I am still a little puzzled about how they will prove my grandfather did not know or understand what he was doing at the time of the transfer. They cant judge his level of intelligence in 1998 based how he appears today. Is it for me to prove he did know what he was doing?
Nicola.
Zmudge thanks. They allege the transfer in 1998 was manifestly disadvantagous to him because he transfered the property worth �20,000 in return to be absolved of a �12,500 mortgage debt. After the transfer he rented the property instead for �100.00 a month with a view that when we cleared the mortgage he could live there rent free.
I should have paid him �7500 for his capital and charged him full rent at �200.00 a month. There would have been no complaints then but of course my Aunt only has eyes for what the property is worth today. (60K)
Their claim is simply to set aside the transfer in 1998 on the grounds of undue influence and unconscionability. They know we paid the mortgage for the last 6 years and have now completely redeemed the mortgage but they don't seem to have considered this. If worse came to worse what would be the outcome. Would we loose all the money we spent on the property. More thoughts please. Nicola
(1) upon being persuaded that you have acted as alleged the Judge will make an Order to set aside the 1998 transfer and restore the title to your grandfather. This will take the Judge about 2 minutes to write on an Order form and the property will be gone from you
(2) you are not entitled to and will not receive even one penny mortgage reimbursement. Your situation is somewhat similar to landlord and tenant where you are the tenant - a tenant may improve the property but when the property reverts to the landlord the improvements go to the landlord at no cost - the landlord did not ask for it. Similarly, you have improved your grandfather's property by removing the mortgage, but he did not ask for it and will get the improvement for nothing
(3) I estimate that it will be at least 8 months before this matter gets to trial, and that it will be a 5 day trial. Including the trial your costs will be not less than �25000 and your opponents costs roughly the same. Loser pays the winners costs, so if you lose you will be down a minimum of �50000, but I can see your actual loss at �70000 quite easily
(4) when they win, but not until and not bound up with the current case, your opponents may well start another action against you for damages. You have no claim or counter-claim against them
(5) of the 5 day trial you must steel yourself for at least 2 days of diabolical cross examination (your grandfather/aunt will not suffer this)
I am sorry to have to finish by saying that this matter could turn even worse because what is alleged is fraud, and your opponents could report this matter - there is nothing to stop a civil case and a criminal prosecution running together.
I am nowhere near as pessimistic as zmudge.
The manner in which this matter will proceed to court will not involve a dozen directions hearings, let alone two dozen. How on earth could one fit that into an eight month timetable?
There may be a directions and allocation hearing (which you do not need to attend - only your lawyers), but the court may give directions and allocate the case to the multi track without a hearing. A trial date will be set at that stage, and a timetable laid out with the steps both parties and ther advisors will need to take before trial. There may well be a Case Management Conference before the District Judge (or "Master" in London) which the parties do have to attend, but that will be the only occasion that they need to go to court before the trial itself.
Of course it is for your aunt/grandfather to prove their case, not for you to disprove it.
You know the truth of the matter, and do not need to be swayed by the views of others
Didwot & Zmudge thanks both for your views. Top guys. I forgot to mention a few things. My Grandfathers other daughter (my mother ) knew about the entire arrangement right from the start and was happy for it to proceed. If they prove my grandfather was indeed of limited intelligence and suffering with a disability would the fact she knew about it and was happy for the transfer to take place help us?. She even signed & witnessed the signatures on the tenancy agreement first set up after the transfer in 1998. My sisters husband works in the tenancy sector and he provided the tenancy agreement. Futher more, prior to my grandfathers purchase of the house from the council we discussed what would happen if he became poorly and required residential care. It was agreed that to avoid local authority action to force the sale of the house it probably was best if the transfer was completed as soon as possible after the restictive sale clause expired (after 3 years). The last thing we wanted would be for him to get sick and then loose the house to pay care fees. Sorry to bombard you again but my solicitor said never to mention this as it would be classed as derevation of assets and the local authority would still come after us. But i feel it is important because if we were to loose the house i would rather loose it to them than have my Aunt get her grubby paws on it. Nicola.
If agreement (for instance, to the sale of the house to you) was induced by an improper or wrongful threat by you of irreparable injury (for instance, that the house would be seized by the council to pay for care costs) that precluded the exercise of his free will and left your grandfather no reasonable alternative, the contract is voidable on application to a court by your grandfather. So, is what is at the heart of this matter that your aunt on behalf of your grandfather is going to tell the court of the unconscionable act that you (and your mother?) with wrongful duress and in full knowledge of his disability persuaded your grandfather that the council
were poised to seize his house to pay for care costs and therefore to sell the house to you on unreasonably favourable terms?
I would love to know more about the facts alleged in the claim form, but the space allowed will not enable you to give sufficient info. Please get your barrister's advice, and let us know what he says.