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£20bn – amount that, as a keen Brexiteer in 2016, Rishi Sunak said ‘we will immediately save’ on leaving the EU
£80bn – Long run annual cost to the UK economy from leaving the EU as assessed by the Office for Budget Responsibility
£20bn – amount that, as a keen Brexiteer in 2016, Rishi Sunak said ‘we will immediately save’ on leaving the EU
£80bn – Long run annual cost to the UK economy from leaving the EU as assessed by the Office for Budget Responsibility
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//…some posting on this site still support Brexit – just what planet are these people on?//
They are on the planet where people do not sell their souls for a few pieces of silver.
// I know why they clicked it in the first place, to try and slow illegal immigration from France.//
Then they were idiots. Membership of the EU had no influence on the levels of illegal migration to the UK and leaving similarly has had no influence on it.
//…and that leaving "offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders."//
There are two distinct types of migrants entering the UK – those who do so legally and those who do so illegally (e.g. arrive in rubber boats). As naomi had pointed out, whilst we were members of the EU, with one or two exceptions affecting a very small number of people, the UK could not deny entry to any of the 450m residents of other EU countries who wished to settle here. They had a right to do so. Those entering illegally must go through the asylum process. The control that Brexit regained was of the former. EU citizens (with the exception of those from Ireland) no longer have the right to settle here. So Brexit did offer that opportunity and it has been taken. Your friends who voted to leave should have been aware of that distinction.
They are on the planet where people do not sell their souls for a few pieces of silver.
// I know why they clicked it in the first place, to try and slow illegal immigration from France.//
Then they were idiots. Membership of the EU had no influence on the levels of illegal migration to the UK and leaving similarly has had no influence on it.
//…and that leaving "offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders."//
There are two distinct types of migrants entering the UK – those who do so legally and those who do so illegally (e.g. arrive in rubber boats). As naomi had pointed out, whilst we were members of the EU, with one or two exceptions affecting a very small number of people, the UK could not deny entry to any of the 450m residents of other EU countries who wished to settle here. They had a right to do so. Those entering illegally must go through the asylum process. The control that Brexit regained was of the former. EU citizens (with the exception of those from Ireland) no longer have the right to settle here. So Brexit did offer that opportunity and it has been taken. Your friends who voted to leave should have been aware of that distinction.
Well, those Brexiteers posting on this thread are proof that no amount of damage to the UK economy as a result of Brexit will make them re-think their vote to leave.
Imagine if back in 2016 before the vote, the UK population were told (without doubt) that leaving the EU would cost the UK economy £80 billion per year (rather than gaining the UK £20 billion) – who in their right mind would vote leave?
If there is a future vote on Brexit, the re-joiners are going to need an enormous red bus on which to post the accumulated losses to the UK economy as a result of leaving the EU.
Imagine if back in 2016 before the vote, the UK population were told (without doubt) that leaving the EU would cost the UK economy £80 billion per year (rather than gaining the UK £20 billion) – who in their right mind would vote leave?
If there is a future vote on Brexit, the re-joiners are going to need an enormous red bus on which to post the accumulated losses to the UK economy as a result of leaving the EU.
//Well, those Brexiteers posting on this thread are proof that no amount of damage to the UK economy as a result of Brexit will make them re-think their vote to leave.//
I can only speak for myself but, no, it wouldn't. I decided in 1992 that I would vote to leave given the opportunity. Nothing or nobody between then and 2016 (especially any of the nonsense - spouted by both sides - during the referendum campaign) caused me to change my mind and nothing or nobody since then has left me in any doubt that I voted the right way.
//Imagine if back in 2016 before the vote, the UK population were told (without doubt) that leaving the EU would cost the UK economy £80 billion per year (rather than gaining the UK £20 billion)//
As above.
This £80bn figure pa you keep quoting - what's its source?
I can only speak for myself but, no, it wouldn't. I decided in 1992 that I would vote to leave given the opportunity. Nothing or nobody between then and 2016 (especially any of the nonsense - spouted by both sides - during the referendum campaign) caused me to change my mind and nothing or nobody since then has left me in any doubt that I voted the right way.
//Imagine if back in 2016 before the vote, the UK population were told (without doubt) that leaving the EU would cost the UK economy £80 billion per year (rather than gaining the UK £20 billion)//
As above.
This £80bn figure pa you keep quoting - what's its source?
ROY, "Aye, just like the polls said we would vote remain in 2016."
That's not correct.
"The online polls showed Leave ahead more often than Remain, with an average lead for Leave of 1.8% over the same period.
In total over the campaign period, 78% of the telephone polls showed a Remain lead, whilst 63% of the online polls showed Leave ahead, including 57% of YouGov polls."
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That's not correct.
"The online polls showed Leave ahead more often than Remain, with an average lead for Leave of 1.8% over the same period.
In total over the campaign period, 78% of the telephone polls showed a Remain lead, whilst 63% of the online polls showed Leave ahead, including 57% of YouGov polls."
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I can't believe we're still talking about it five Prime Ministers down the line. It's done, poking those who disagree with you does absolutely no difference to anything. I voted Remain, and I would still do if the vote was today, but it's too late to do anything now and no amount of told-you-sos are going to change that.
Whenever I post on this site, pointing out what an absolute disaster Brexit is for the UK economy (citing losses in pounds shillings & pence), the Breixteers pooh pooh my numbers claiming there are inflated losses from fifth column organisations – whereas I often cite the source, such as the ONS or OBR.
The £80 billion per annum loss as a direct result of Brexit is from the OBR (Office for Budget Responsibility), check out page 7 of the current issue of Private Eye; or as Naomi24 would advise, don’t read it if you don’t want to know how bad things are.
The next Brexit fiasco coming along is the UKCA mark – I might post something on this later, which has already cost industry billions of pounds, for nothing.
The £80 billion per annum loss as a direct result of Brexit is from the OBR (Office for Budget Responsibility), check out page 7 of the current issue of Private Eye; or as Naomi24 would advise, don’t read it if you don’t want to know how bad things are.
The next Brexit fiasco coming along is the UKCA mark – I might post something on this later, which has already cost industry billions of pounds, for nothing.
Corby, Roy isn’t wrong. You need to read your link. //Only polls conducted online correctly foretold that Brexit was a real possibility ….[they] were the only piece of information informing the world of the correct risk of a Brexit throughout the campaign…. Unfortunately not enough attention was paid to this evidence and the media, campaigns, betting and financial markets continued to presume that Brexit would not happen…. every other source of information suggested that a victory for Remain was a done deal.//
I'll leave you to read on.
It's par for the course that we are fed one thing when the opposite is true. The establishment didn’t want Brexit and so we were told over and over that it wasn't going to happen. The morning of the result brought shock waves, not only to Remainers, but to Brexiters too. I certainly didn't expect it.
I'll leave you to read on.
It's par for the course that we are fed one thing when the opposite is true. The establishment didn’t want Brexit and so we were told over and over that it wasn't going to happen. The morning of the result brought shock waves, not only to Remainers, but to Brexiters too. I certainly didn't expect it.
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