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My daughter had her belly button pierced for her 13th birthday which was only a few weeks ago. Now her school will not let her do P.E unless she takes it out. She cannot remove it for 3 months!
Today I put a HUGE plaster over it so there was no possible chance of anything getting caught on it or it causing any problems, but that wasn't good enough for the school. They have now said that my daughter will do 2 after school detentions which are an hour each for not doing P.E, and she faces being put in isolation and even exclusion.
How is this fair??? Nowhere in the school policy does it mention such piercings, just facial and earrings. I can fully understand the health and safety issues but if it's covered I dont see the problem.
After the 3 months both myself and my daughter have no problem in her removing it for P.E, but whilst its healing she cant. Why should she be punished for that!!
Before some people start going on that a child of her age shouldnt have piercings.... please dont bother. Or those who would say she should of had it at the begining of summer holidays... i didnt choose her birth day!!
Thanks in advance
My daughter had her belly button pierced for her 13th birthday which was only a few weeks ago. Now her school will not let her do P.E unless she takes it out. She cannot remove it for 3 months!
Today I put a HUGE plaster over it so there was no possible chance of anything getting caught on it or it causing any problems, but that wasn't good enough for the school. They have now said that my daughter will do 2 after school detentions which are an hour each for not doing P.E, and she faces being put in isolation and even exclusion.
How is this fair??? Nowhere in the school policy does it mention such piercings, just facial and earrings. I can fully understand the health and safety issues but if it's covered I dont see the problem.
After the 3 months both myself and my daughter have no problem in her removing it for P.E, but whilst its healing she cant. Why should she be punished for that!!
Before some people start going on that a child of her age shouldnt have piercings.... please dont bother. Or those who would say she should of had it at the begining of summer holidays... i didnt choose her birth day!!
Thanks in advance
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I got my information from the tatoo and piercing centre in Bath actually,and yes,it may not be a LEGAL ruling but most places will not agree to piercings other than ears,unless you are sixteen or have pemission from a parent if you are under sixteen.These are their rules, not mine. My daughter wants hers pierced and is waiting for her 16th birthday so that she can go and have it done without me being there.I have checked in a couple of other places in Bristol for her and have been told the same thing,probably because they know of all the grief you get from school (and AB readers)when you have it done .
No need to be so agressive,nw,I'm not a lawyer,I was just trying to help.I still think you should have discouraged her but yeah..whatever!
No need to be so agressive,nw,I'm not a lawyer,I was just trying to help.I still think you should have discouraged her but yeah..whatever!
Can I just ask........ all the kind folk who have criticized me, do any of your young children have their ears pierced?? If so, why? Is it parental vanity? Young kids dont care what they look like, they are more interested in playing (as it should be) so how can you say anything to me? I have seen and heard of lots of children having their earrings ripped out while playing on the playground, or their ears getting infected because hair had wrapped around the earring. Surely earrings are much more dangerous than a COVERED belly bar!!!! There is a greater risk from having ears pierced than anywhere else.
If thats not the case then I wonder why piercers HAVE TO obtain a certificate before they can pierce ears but they dont need one to do any other piercings!!! (My friend went on courses and obtained certificates for all her work, for her own piece of mind)
If thats not the case then I wonder why piercers HAVE TO obtain a certificate before they can pierce ears but they dont need one to do any other piercings!!! (My friend went on courses and obtained certificates for all her work, for her own piece of mind)
Have to say that I'm a little gobsmacked at how so many people can get in such a tizz about a 13 year old having her belly button pierced! Some of my friends have daughters in their early teens with it done and they are by no means neglected yobs! I genuinely can't see the problem with it...as long as it's done properly and in sterile conditions! Sorry I can't help regarding the school but please don't feel that you have to leave this site because of a few patroning, smug posters!!
putting aside my personal opinions, you really have no choice but to have it removed until the school will allow it. They set the rules for safety reasons and you ought to have checked the policy on belly button peircings before having it done.
Your daughter will learn an early lesson in rules and regulations.
Your daughter will learn an early lesson in rules and regulations.
School policy must be clearly stated in order to avoid discrimination. However, sometimes a policy (like facial piercings) can be assumed to cover other areas. The question you have to ask is: Does the policy specify the types of piercings that are not allowed, and if so, Why? Why does the policy not simply state "piercings" in a general sence? Is there some sort of piercing that is allowed?
Secondly, I would ask what the policy is on other body modifications, (i.e. tatoos). Of course it is a long and hard fight and may take longer than just waiting out the 3 months.
Remember thatany policy which affects you will affect someone else someday as well. It is likely that after a long hard fight the best you will get for yourself is a forced appology and your daughters PE credit restored.
If you decide not to fight the issue, I am sure we will all understand, However, I would ask that you find someway to make your complaint public record so that you will be available to help the next person in your situation.
Secondly, I would ask what the policy is on other body modifications, (i.e. tatoos). Of course it is a long and hard fight and may take longer than just waiting out the 3 months.
Remember thatany policy which affects you will affect someone else someday as well. It is likely that after a long hard fight the best you will get for yourself is a forced appology and your daughters PE credit restored.
If you decide not to fight the issue, I am sure we will all understand, However, I would ask that you find someway to make your complaint public record so that you will be available to help the next person in your situation.
Don't forget that all PE teachers are a pain,well in my experience (and my kids) and it might just be worth talking it out with the Head and explain the situation that she can't take it out etc,and that your'e sorry you didn't realise the rules ,and without getting all agressive about it. My daughter would love an excuse not to do PE for 3 months!!!lol.
Also,in answer to your last posting, I WOULD think it wrong to have your young kids ears pierced unless they really wanted it done themselves and they were fairly responsible 9 years or older. And surely they should only wear small studs so that there was no danger of hair wrapping and ears being torn.
I still think a belly bar might be a bit of a problem in gymnastics even covered up and surely would be more dangerous than small studs worn in ears?
I still think a belly bar might be a bit of a problem in gymnastics even covered up and surely would be more dangerous than small studs worn in ears?
This drives me mad......You have a mother here that may be the best parent in the world. She could sit every night doing her children's homework with them, she could make sure that they are well loved, secure and well fed. She may run around after them to make sure all their needs are met. Probably much more as well.......But.......none of that matters because she let her 13 year old get her belly button pierced.
Give the poor woman a break!
If they were piercing belly buttons when I was 13 I would of had it done.....
Give the poor woman a break!
If they were piercing belly buttons when I was 13 I would of had it done.....
My daughter had her navel pierced at 15. It was explained to me by the piercer that under a certain age (usually while they are still growing) it isn't advised to have body piercings as they often migrate (grow out)
Sure enough, my daughter now has a lovely scar where the bar popped out of her skin. She will be having it done again, but not until she is 18 at least (her choice).
As for the school, it is usually the policy that piercings are taken out for PE ~ and in some cases taken out for the whole day. A friend of my daughters had her tongue pierced and had to wear a clear plastic disc for school. Her nose stud had to be taken out for school too, but this was ok as she waited for school holidays before she had it done.
My opinion on piercings varies depending on the piercing itself, but as has already been mentioned schools and workplaces tend to operate a stringent health & safety code nowadays since we now live in the 'compensation state'. The schools insurance does not cover accidents involving piercings, so I would adhere to that. My daughter only had her ears pierced while she attended school. Now she is at college she has had several.
Sure enough, my daughter now has a lovely scar where the bar popped out of her skin. She will be having it done again, but not until she is 18 at least (her choice).
As for the school, it is usually the policy that piercings are taken out for PE ~ and in some cases taken out for the whole day. A friend of my daughters had her tongue pierced and had to wear a clear plastic disc for school. Her nose stud had to be taken out for school too, but this was ok as she waited for school holidays before she had it done.
My opinion on piercings varies depending on the piercing itself, but as has already been mentioned schools and workplaces tend to operate a stringent health & safety code nowadays since we now live in the 'compensation state'. The schools insurance does not cover accidents involving piercings, so I would adhere to that. My daughter only had her ears pierced while she attended school. Now she is at college she has had several.
I was going to mention growing and possible problems with that -but I wasn't sure of the facts and thought I'd be yelled at again. When is it considered safe then,as in when do they stop growing,or is there a problem if they put on weight? If your daughters problem ,Pippa, is common, then there should definately be more legislation,not less.
Something I forgot to add is that it isn't uncommon for navel piercings to take up to a YEAR to heal.
The studio my daughter goes to has a policy where under 16s must have a parent with them, under 18s must have written consent.
My local studio says this about migration:
''There is also a specific kind of rejection, popularly called 'growing out', to which a number of piercings are prone. This is a natural process, quite often associated with a person's body growing, and is not usually accompanied by any redness, discomfort or discharge until the very late stages. This is more common in younger teenagers (who's bodies are still growing). The end result of this process, which can often take a year or more, is the loss of the piercing. We commonly see eyebrows, surface piercings and navels 'growing out' over time. There is no way of being able to tell for definite how long a piercee will keep their piercing for, as it varies so much from person to person. If you are considering a surface piercing please bear in mind the placement, as another thing that can affect the longevity of the piercing is the amount of movement that area of the body gets. The constant stretching and relaxing, of, for example, an ankle piercing, can also help a piercing to work it's way forward''
The studio my daughter goes to has a policy where under 16s must have a parent with them, under 18s must have written consent.
My local studio says this about migration:
''There is also a specific kind of rejection, popularly called 'growing out', to which a number of piercings are prone. This is a natural process, quite often associated with a person's body growing, and is not usually accompanied by any redness, discomfort or discharge until the very late stages. This is more common in younger teenagers (who's bodies are still growing). The end result of this process, which can often take a year or more, is the loss of the piercing. We commonly see eyebrows, surface piercings and navels 'growing out' over time. There is no way of being able to tell for definite how long a piercee will keep their piercing for, as it varies so much from person to person. If you are considering a surface piercing please bear in mind the placement, as another thing that can affect the longevity of the piercing is the amount of movement that area of the body gets. The constant stretching and relaxing, of, for example, an ankle piercing, can also help a piercing to work it's way forward''
(sorry a bit late on this one!!) Surely, if the school say they do not want it in, then the parent/s and child should be listening to the school, not arguing with them or protesting about it, no matter what the rule is. School is for learning, it is not a fashion catwalk. An infection could start, it could get pulled out, she could get kicked there, anything could happen and unfortunately we live in a society that will sue when things go wrong and argue when the warning signs are made. If I was you nwtrikkete, I would listen to what the school are saying and think of the safety of your little girl.
Going back to a much earlier post, asking what on earth could happen in PE to rip out a piercing....well, my daughter's trampoline coach could tell you a delightful tale about the teenager who had a belly button stud...she did a jump which landed on her front, bounced up, the stud was stuck in the trampoline fabric and RIIIIIPPPPP!! Good enough example for you?!
Erm excuse me MAKEMESMILE............ I have not thrown my toys out the pram because the 'advice' you gave was not what i wanted to hear!! You haven't given any advice, only your opinion. I am not interested in your 'opinion', i asked for advice!!!
UMMMM1........... THANK-YOU!!!!!!
XANDERMA....... i am fully aware of the dangers of the belly bar during P.E which is why I covered it. I have no problem with it being removed AFTER 3months. Regardless of some peoples opinions on here, Im not completely stupid.
Anyway, haven't most of you missed the point of my original post? I haven't asked for opinions on piercings, i asked for advice on what to do next!
I have asked the school to send me a copy of their policy on piercings. As of yet they have been unable (or more likely - unwilling) to give it to me. I have spoken to a number of young girls in the school who have the same piercing and they have all said that the PE teacher just says to them 'dont let anyone else see that!'. Not one of them has ever been asked to remove it.
I am begining to feel that my daughter is being picked on by certain members of staff (not just on this matter but other things going back 12months ago). Today my daughter was in a group with 10 other children who admittedly were all doing something they shouldn't (bouncing a ball in the hall), my daughter was plucked from the group, taken to a class room and told she would be doing a dinner time detention. When she tried to question why she was the only one in trouble, the teacher said 'now you'll do an after school detention' (1hr) and walked away. It was the PE teacher!
The point I am trying to make is that unless we as parents have the oportunity to see all the schools policies in black and white, how do we know where we stand. Do we just go off what ever a teacher says?
UMMMM1........... THANK-YOU!!!!!!
XANDERMA....... i am fully aware of the dangers of the belly bar during P.E which is why I covered it. I have no problem with it being removed AFTER 3months. Regardless of some peoples opinions on here, Im not completely stupid.
Anyway, haven't most of you missed the point of my original post? I haven't asked for opinions on piercings, i asked for advice on what to do next!
I have asked the school to send me a copy of their policy on piercings. As of yet they have been unable (or more likely - unwilling) to give it to me. I have spoken to a number of young girls in the school who have the same piercing and they have all said that the PE teacher just says to them 'dont let anyone else see that!'. Not one of them has ever been asked to remove it.
I am begining to feel that my daughter is being picked on by certain members of staff (not just on this matter but other things going back 12months ago). Today my daughter was in a group with 10 other children who admittedly were all doing something they shouldn't (bouncing a ball in the hall), my daughter was plucked from the group, taken to a class room and told she would be doing a dinner time detention. When she tried to question why she was the only one in trouble, the teacher said 'now you'll do an after school detention' (1hr) and walked away. It was the PE teacher!
The point I am trying to make is that unless we as parents have the oportunity to see all the schools policies in black and white, how do we know where we stand. Do we just go off what ever a teacher says?
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