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3D Printed Vegan Steak Anyone?
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We must be honoured as it's coming here to the West Country.
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I wonder if they will be giving out free samples in the city centre...?
Will it be appearing on a what's for dinner thread any time soon?
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I wonder if they will be giving out free samples in the city centre...?
Will it be appearing on a what's for dinner thread any time soon?
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'Where is their evidence that living solely on processed plants makes humans more healthy?'
I'm not sure there is any. But there is proof of a link between processed red meat and cancer.
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If they manage (And they seem to be pretty close) to make plant based 'meat' a realistic alternative then I'm sure many people would give it a go. I certainly would.
I'm not sure there is any. But there is proof of a link between processed red meat and cancer.
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If they manage (And they seem to be pretty close) to make plant based 'meat' a realistic alternative then I'm sure many people would give it a go. I certainly would.
//I drink oat milk...//
Glad you like it, bob, but it's not milk. It's liquified plant material. Milk is "...an opaque white fluid rich in fat and protein, secreted by female mammals for the nourishment of their young." Anything else going by the same name is pretend milk or (at a stretch) milk substitute. This is a demonstration of my gripe with this business. It's no more milk than this printed stuff is meat. How can you take this description of a plant-based food which says this: "For the first time, 3D-printed 'meat' is being served as a whole 'cut'...,"? Sorry, it's a joke (in bad taste, pun intended).
//But there is proof of a link between processed red meat and cancer.//
There's lot's of evidence that processed foodstuffs (particularly meat) are not especially good for you, Zacs.
You mustn't get me wrong on this. I don't care what people eat. But I'd like everybody else to reciprocate and not make me feel guilty because I like a fillet steak. There are plenty of things that are "destroying the planet" - not the least of which is excessive human population growth. To deal with that would be far more beneficial than cajoling people to cut down on their meat consumption. I'd also like to not be deceived by putting stuff labelled "meat" and "milk" on supermarket shelves when it is nothing of the sort.
Glad you like it, bob, but it's not milk. It's liquified plant material. Milk is "...an opaque white fluid rich in fat and protein, secreted by female mammals for the nourishment of their young." Anything else going by the same name is pretend milk or (at a stretch) milk substitute. This is a demonstration of my gripe with this business. It's no more milk than this printed stuff is meat. How can you take this description of a plant-based food which says this: "For the first time, 3D-printed 'meat' is being served as a whole 'cut'...,"? Sorry, it's a joke (in bad taste, pun intended).
//But there is proof of a link between processed red meat and cancer.//
There's lot's of evidence that processed foodstuffs (particularly meat) are not especially good for you, Zacs.
You mustn't get me wrong on this. I don't care what people eat. But I'd like everybody else to reciprocate and not make me feel guilty because I like a fillet steak. There are plenty of things that are "destroying the planet" - not the least of which is excessive human population growth. To deal with that would be far more beneficial than cajoling people to cut down on their meat consumption. I'd also like to not be deceived by putting stuff labelled "meat" and "milk" on supermarket shelves when it is nothing of the sort.
Everyone has choice, no one should be coerced.
You have given the primary definition of milk, there is more.
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You have given the primary definition of milk, there is more.
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//I don't think anyone is trying to make you feel guilty.//
Lots of people try, Zacs (though none will succeed). As well as the eco-maniacs there are the animal rights zealots joining the throng. For example:
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An extract or two:
“3. Ending World Hunger
We produce enough calories globally to feed 10 to 11 billion people, yet the majority of this food is directed to animals of farms, not humans in need. Every day, millions of people are going hungry while crops that they could eat are instead being used to fatten animals for meat.”
“4. Protecting Human Rights
An investigation into the UK meat industry by the Equality and Human Rights Commission found evidence of widespread mistreatment and exploitation of workers – in particular, migrant workers – in abattoirs and on factory farms, including discrimination, bullying, physical abuse by managers, and unsafe working conditions.”
//I certainly don't when I'm tucking into a bit of fillet.//
Neither do I, but if PETA (and many others) had their way you would.
//But if there was something just as good, without the global impact / health effects, I'd have it instead. Why wouldn't you?//
(1)There isn’t anything just as good. I’ve had a taste of a few “plant based” alternatives and they were all, without exception, bleeding horrible. I shall not be repeating the experience.
(2) I’m not interested in the “global impact” my eating a fillet steak might have. The rest of the globe will have to bear it.
(3) I eat a balanced diet, including meat, which I consider healthy and I don’t suffer (touch wood) from ill health.
Also from PETA:
“Now that you’ve read our list of reasons not to eat meat, are you left wondering how to begin your vegan journey in 2019?”
In a nutshell, nothing could be further from my mind.
//You have given the primary definition of milk, there is more.//
That does not describe milk, Mamy. It describes other liquids which masquerade as milk. From that same article:
“For commerce, plant-based beverages are typically packaged in containers similar and competitive to those used for dairy milk, but cannot be labeled as "milk" within the European Union.”
For once I agree with our European “friends” (calls from the Remainers to ask me whether I'd like to reconsider my vote to leave:-) )
Lots of people try, Zacs (though none will succeed). As well as the eco-maniacs there are the animal rights zealots joining the throng. For example:
https:/
An extract or two:
“3. Ending World Hunger
We produce enough calories globally to feed 10 to 11 billion people, yet the majority of this food is directed to animals of farms, not humans in need. Every day, millions of people are going hungry while crops that they could eat are instead being used to fatten animals for meat.”
“4. Protecting Human Rights
An investigation into the UK meat industry by the Equality and Human Rights Commission found evidence of widespread mistreatment and exploitation of workers – in particular, migrant workers – in abattoirs and on factory farms, including discrimination, bullying, physical abuse by managers, and unsafe working conditions.”
//I certainly don't when I'm tucking into a bit of fillet.//
Neither do I, but if PETA (and many others) had their way you would.
//But if there was something just as good, without the global impact / health effects, I'd have it instead. Why wouldn't you?//
(1)There isn’t anything just as good. I’ve had a taste of a few “plant based” alternatives and they were all, without exception, bleeding horrible. I shall not be repeating the experience.
(2) I’m not interested in the “global impact” my eating a fillet steak might have. The rest of the globe will have to bear it.
(3) I eat a balanced diet, including meat, which I consider healthy and I don’t suffer (touch wood) from ill health.
Also from PETA:
“Now that you’ve read our list of reasons not to eat meat, are you left wondering how to begin your vegan journey in 2019?”
In a nutshell, nothing could be further from my mind.
//You have given the primary definition of milk, there is more.//
That does not describe milk, Mamy. It describes other liquids which masquerade as milk. From that same article:
“For commerce, plant-based beverages are typically packaged in containers similar and competitive to those used for dairy milk, but cannot be labeled as "milk" within the European Union.”
For once I agree with our European “friends” (calls from the Remainers to ask me whether I'd like to reconsider my vote to leave:-) )
Thanks for all the replies...there were none this morning.
Most of these plant based meat replacements are sold on the basis of how good they taste, and, in this case how similar to meat they are in appearance and texture. I've yet to see any sold on the basis of nutritional value.
A plant based diet may contain sufficient nutrients, but only if very carefully chosen and managed. The vitamins in veg may be the same in amount...ie grams of a particular nutrient , but it is most often not in as bioavailable a form as if it came from an animal based food. Often the body needs to convert it to a more useful form.
There was a study published a few months ago comparing the nutrients in burgers...both plant and animal based. They used the same well known brand of plant *just like meat* burgers throughout the study. All the meat based came from animals from a single farm. "On the label", micronutrients were very similar, yet what the body could derive from the plant based was far less.
Most of these plant based meat replacements are sold on the basis of how good they taste, and, in this case how similar to meat they are in appearance and texture. I've yet to see any sold on the basis of nutritional value.
A plant based diet may contain sufficient nutrients, but only if very carefully chosen and managed. The vitamins in veg may be the same in amount...ie grams of a particular nutrient , but it is most often not in as bioavailable a form as if it came from an animal based food. Often the body needs to convert it to a more useful form.
There was a study published a few months ago comparing the nutrients in burgers...both plant and animal based. They used the same well known brand of plant *just like meat* burgers throughout the study. All the meat based came from animals from a single farm. "On the label", micronutrients were very similar, yet what the body could derive from the plant based was far less.
Like Bobbinwales, I like a spot of non meaty meat occasionally. Quorn especially is delicious and their burgers and chicken products are almost indistinguishable from the real thing.
I'm eating a lot of Quorn as Asda has them on offer at the moment. Unfortunately, I won't go full vegetabalist until someone makes a bacon substitute that actually has the taste of texture of bacon.
I'm eating a lot of Quorn as Asda has them on offer at the moment. Unfortunately, I won't go full vegetabalist until someone makes a bacon substitute that actually has the taste of texture of bacon.
You clearly dont get it newjudge. Of course oat milk aint milk in the sense you know it but its a good tasty healthy alternative which is fine in 'milky' coffees and on cereal. Ok lets call it oat drink. Why do you even have an issue with that. And no-ones deceiving- it's labelled oat drink not oat milk. I bet you have views on nonalcoholic beeer too.
Its a choice, obviously dont have it if you dnot want it, but dont talk about eccentricities if people chooose to try something plant based as it suggests you have some ignorance, arrogance and small mindedness about anyone who has different tastes or interests than you
Its a choice, obviously dont have it if you dnot want it, but dont talk about eccentricities if people chooose to try something plant based as it suggests you have some ignorance, arrogance and small mindedness about anyone who has different tastes or interests than you
NJ:
"//Nobody is really forcing you to be a vegetarian or vegan.//
No I know that. But there are plenty of people and organisations (one of which I've pointed out) who, given the chance, would do so. I have an extreme gripe with people trying to dictate my lifestyle to suit their particular beliefs. "
Now you are saying that people might dictate to you if they got the chance and could be bothered. There are people who might want to hit you in the street, and those who might want to moon at you. I think you are a bit oversensitive almost to the extent of being a bit paranoid.
I think life isn't that bad to be honest; count your blessings.
"//Nobody is really forcing you to be a vegetarian or vegan.//
No I know that. But there are plenty of people and organisations (one of which I've pointed out) who, given the chance, would do so. I have an extreme gripe with people trying to dictate my lifestyle to suit their particular beliefs. "
Now you are saying that people might dictate to you if they got the chance and could be bothered. There are people who might want to hit you in the street, and those who might want to moon at you. I think you are a bit oversensitive almost to the extent of being a bit paranoid.
I think life isn't that bad to be honest; count your blessings.
NJ; I speak as an almost lifelong vegetarian. I don't think that imitation meat is a good idea, unless you are a lifelong omnivore and yearn after the texture and taste of flesh. I do think it would be a good thing not to eat animals, for health and environmental reasons. Despite my above posts, we do have things in common.
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