Edward John (Jack) Butler

[echokilo]

I am trying to trace back the line of the above .... but don't think I can with the info I have. I know he married Florence Abbotts (born Florence Hawkins in Jan 1915) in 1947 and I know he had a sister called Dolly (don't know what this is short for - Dorothy??) The marriage was in Walsall, and they lived in Walsall and she (Florence) was born in Walsall ................ can anyone help me trace his parents? I don't have the marriage cert to check if his father is named there ............ any way to trace without getting cert?

[Rose Maybud]

There were three births in Walsall 1900 - 1920: an Edward John in 1900, an Edward J in Sep 1916 mother Jukes; and Edward J in 1918 mother Hawley.

Looking for siblings post 1912 gives George A born in Sep 1914 and Dorothy M born in Dec 1925, for the Butler / Jukes combination. Frederick Butler married Sarah Jane Dukes in Dec 1907 in Walsall. Looks promising..

[Rose Maybud]

For the Butler / Hawley combination - offspring Irene M in Jun 1920 and Edna M in Sep 1923 in addition to the Edward above.

Edward H Butler married Maud E Hawley in Mar 1917 in Walsall

[Rose Maybud]

There is a death of an Edward J Butler in Jun 1980 in Walsall - dob 21 Aug 1916 - would that be right?

[echokilo]

Yes, yes and yes!! Fabulous - this must be then (born 1916 and deid 1980 I mean) Especially as you have found a Dorothy from Fred and Sarah Jane as I know Jack had a sister called Dolly ............. just can't understand why I can't find Frederick and Sarah Jane on the 1911 census .... any ideas Rose?

[Rose Maybud]

Fredrick and Sarah were living at 29 Tantarra Street, Walsall. RG14 PN17170 RD370 SD3 ED13 SN32. It was the only Frederick / Sarah combination that came up on the search for Frederick and variants. Married 4 years, they had produced 4 children, all of whom died - how sad! Frederick age 24 ie born 1887, Sarah age 21 ie born 1890, both Walsall. Frederick was a something dresser - can't quite make out what he dressed.

[echokilo]

Thanks Rose - you are a star ............... I can't read what he dressed either ............. very sad seeing the children passed away ............. think I am glad theat the census prior to 1911 doesn't tell you this - it would be even more depressing the further we went back I would think. Thanks for your help.