Trying To Link Up A Family........

[askyourgran]

I have a married couple Thomas Litherland b1829 Rothwell Leeds a photographer, married to Ann Robson (b1830 d1883) in Hunslet Leeds abt 1849. But I cannot find his father and mother. I have nowhere to put him.

My Gt x4 Grandfather George born 1754 wife Mary, and the Gt x3 born 1784 called George also married to Mary, He had a son George b1808. But I can't find him. Most of the family at that time was born in Tamworth and came to live in Leeds but don't know when. Possibly Thomas's father's name is George Litherland (of 1808?) Can anyone help please.

[askyourgran]

That was a good bit of detecting there. It seems to round the mystery off. I saw an entry in Pigots Trade Directory for Leeds 1834 which show George Litherland and Son, cut nail manufacturers, Union Place Leeds, I presume the #son will be my gt gt gt gf John who was in Leeds in 1835. There seems to be no trace of his brother George of 1808 who I was pinning Thomas to in the first place. Wouldn't have found out about them at all. Grateful thanks.

[dotty.]

there is a sarah hepworth marrying a william dovener at leeds st peter on 18 nove 1851, sarah is 32 a widow and her father is george litherland a nail maker,

[dotty.]

sarah litherland married william hepworth 2 feb 1837 at leeds st peter, grrrrr 5 months before the start of civil registration! so no more info except they lived in holbeck, which is where sarah and her second husband lived for the later marriage above.

[dotty.]

ooooooo this is good, bit of digging and i've found mary litherland in leeds, the mother of sarah hepworth -dovener nee litherland. On the 1851 sarah is living at waterloo place leeds with her daughter ADA born leeds 1843, son walter john for 1847 wolverhampton and mother mary 'titterland' aged 70 (born 1781) tamworth, staffs. mary's marital status is 'Mar' i.e. married but george is not there, probably because he's shacked up with hannah!

[dotty.]

the surname on the actual census image is Litherland, ancestry have transcribed it as titterland, i've added an update to the ancestry page.

[dotty.]

it does put sarah in leeds in 1837 marrying but she had her second child back in wolverhampton.
in 1841 mary is living with sarah and her husband william hepworth and a daughter mary,aged 22 months, that child is not on the 1851. the family are living at what looks like springfield , holbeck.

[dotty.]

oh here;s another one, John Litherland married Hannah Dodsworth 4 Jan 1835, leeds st peter, john's occupation was a nail cutter (pre-civil reg entry and so no father) but a witness was William Hepworth, who married John's sister sarah 2 years later, on the 1841 census i think william hepworth is a nailcutter too actually but it's not easy to read. so that means the litherland family were in leeds at least by 1835.

[dotty.]

oh. a tree on ancestry has that john litherland born birmingham the son of samuel and jane and also shows him marrying a second time in 1843 a ruth osborn,also has him on the 1861 back in wolverhampton and then back in leeds for the 1871, is that right? can't be really can it?

[dotty.]

did george born 1754 marry a mary richardson at newton regis in 1783? is there a timothy litherland in that generation?

[dotty.]

Warwickshire, England, Burials, 1813-1910
Name: George Letherland
Birth Year: abt 1754
Parish: Shuttington
Burial Date: 20 Aug 1826
Burial Age: 72

[askyourgran]

What a find dotty! The last George mentioned b 1754 was the father of dirty George 1784 who was bonking Hannah Learoyd. George 1754 was married to Mary Richardson, Timothy b 41 was his brother.Their son George (Leeds) was married to poor Mary Capewell b abt 1786. John Litherland was George's legal son born in Tamworth he married Hannah Dodsworth who died, then he met Ruth Guest nee Osborn, she had been married before to John Henry Guest who died, they had a daughter Maria. John had a daughter Elizabeth from his marriage to Hannah. John and Ruth Osborn are my Gt gt gt Grandparents. Another Timothy b 1795 was George's (the old goats) brother, I don't have anything on him at all, poss married to Hannah Stockley in 1799 but not sure. Thanks for the info about Sarah too, I knew she married twice but not about the dates or the children and her mother living there.

[dotty.]

'dirty george' lol well his poor wife mary must have suffered if he was off across town shacked up with the other woman and still having kids! Life hasn;t changed much has it? lol i'll have a look for this other timothy

[dotty.]

think timothy died in 1869 in lichfield, he married elizabeth wagstaff 19th oct 1818 at polesworth, and they had jane 1819 and john 1824, then several others including a second john, the first boy died in anfancy,his mother mary (richardson) died 1818. george litherland born 1754 was the son of william litherland 1717-1779.

[askyourgran]

As far as I know John and Ruth must have been in Wolverhampton at some point. My gt Grandfather Alfred was born in wolverhampton in 1852, there were six of them, Frank b 1853 was born in Wolverhampton and married Harriet Ann Hill in 1874 Leeds but he disappeared off the radar, don't know when he died, Harriet married Moses Rhodes (her lodger) abt 1889? and her two children by Frank took Moses Rhodes surname not sure about the third child William Henry b 1881. A distant cousin contacted me to find out about this as she was called Rhodes, she didnt know she was a Litherland until she saw her great Grandfathers birth certificate. She said her brothers would be a bit shocked to find this out. John Osborn Litherland is a mystery b 1850 died 1917 possible a war casualty I haven't looked for him. He is the son of John and Ruth too. Sorry I'm running, on I find this very interesting. Thanks dotty.

[fsavage]

Hi I have 2 pics by Thomas and was wondering if you knew what years he started taking his photos? Where did you get 1829 in Rothwell from?