Found Burial Details But No Actual Death Certificate.

[augustard]

Tried the usual websites but no luck. Also varients of his name. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks

[craft1948]

Are you going to give any more details like a name and the burial place?

[dotty.]

Have you looked at the relevent index to death registrations? The burial place is usually within the registration district of the death, though not always. Is this in the UK or overseas?

[augustard]

Sorry. please look at my 2nd question. I have looked on genes ,ancestry, find my past. Lancsbmd, freebmd and Manchester Records but still nothing.

[augustard]

John Charles Ledson, 1926 buried St Philips cemetery, Manchester,UK

[dotty.]

I've looked at the filmed index rather than the transcribed index for each quarter of 1926 and there are only half a dozen ledson deaths registered all that year but none at manchester and none for a john charles. Was he born liverpool 1852?

[dotty.]

he's in a tree on ancestry as dying 1920 but there is no back up source and nothing on the index.

I think he has been indexed as John Leason, Q1 1926, Manchester North 8d 778. by that I mean in the original index, not the transcription. it's worth a follow up if you haven't already checked that entry.

[dotty.]

sorry the age for that john was 73, which fits too.

[dotty.]

if it is any further help, there is only one John LEASON on the 1911 born in the 1850s and he was living in northhampton and his death is registered there in 1923, and so the john leason registered at manchester north in Q1 1926 is either missing from every searchable previous census and the civil registration index or the name is wrong.

[dotty.]

in 1916, John's youngest son ernest, born 1898, enlisted at ashton under lyne and gave his father john as next of kin and john's address was Bolton-old-Road but as yet i cannot read the place name, though it seems to end in shaw, but nor openshaw nor wythenshase, it will be north manchester because of the name of the road and it's bugging me cos i know the area!

[dotty.]

ok I've found John Charles on the 1911, he was living with his married daughter Marian, he is transcribed as John Charles Ledraw and they are at 513 Mill Street, Openshaw. so maybe t is Bolton Old Road Openshaw in 1916. Son Charles Ernest is also there aged 12, John is a widower and an iron foundry worker.

[dotty.]

Name: John Charles Ledraw
Age in 1911: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: North Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 513 Mill St Cheusham
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Shirt Folster
Registration district: Prestwich
Registration District Number: 467
Sub-registration district: Bradford
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 24290
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Brid Alston 32
Marrion Alston 29
Charley Alston 20
John Charles Ledraw 58
Elizabeth Ledraw 21
Ernest Charles Ledraw 12

N.B. The shirt folster thing is wrong, that was daughter elizabeth's occupation and it is of course meant to be shirt folder.

[dotty.]

another re-think on the address on ernest's enlistment for john, i now think it is probably ashton old road openshaw.

[dotty.]

think this is john charles's father's baptism
Baptisms: 4 Nov 1827 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Charles Ledson - Child of John Ledson & Catherine
Abode: Henry Edward St
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Will. Mc Quire offg. Minister
Register: Baptisms 1827 - 1828, Page 28, Entry 223
Source: LDS Film 1656419

[dotty.]

john charles's baptism
Baptisms: 19 Sep 1852 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Charles Ledson - Child of Charles Ledson & Sarah
Abode: Drinkwaters Gardens
Occupation: Comb Maker
Baptised by: Tho. Halton Curate
Register: Baptisms 1851 - 1852, Page 328, Entry 2619
Source: LDS Film 93886

[dotty.]

ernest charles baptism
Baptisms: 8 Jun 1898 St Mark, Gorton, Lancashire, England
Ernest Charles Ledson - Child of John Charles Ledson & Emma
Born: 8 May 1898
Abode: 3 Tours St.
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: J. E. Bamford All Saints Gorton
Register: Baptisms 1885 - 1902, Page 150
Source: LDS Film 2113173

[dotty.]

John Charles married Emma Newman Q3 1878 Birkenhead though he married as Charles not John Charles. ref 8a 681

[dotty.]

emma ledson, john charles wife, died in 1902,
Name: Emma Ledson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1902
Age at Death: 48
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: (click to see others on page)

[augustard]

Thanks for all your help. Yes, he was born 1852 in Liverpool. I will send for the death cert you mention. Did not pick that one up. (Leason). Where did you get the info on Ernest enlisting ? Been doing my family tree 2 years. I am still learning. What is a film index ? You have been most helpful, thanks again.

[dotty.]

the WW1 soldiers papers are now on ancestry, Ernest survived the war and was discharged to the reserve just like my own grandad was, and my grandad was also called ernest actually! Ernest was in France from 1916 to 1917 and was awarded the victory medal, he lived at 5 heather street, clayton .
When you look at the ancestry index for birth marriages and deaths, it also gives you the chance to look at the original image, the image is a photographed version of the original GRO index and often there are omissions or discrepancies and so it is always worth checking the original image.

[augustard]

Thanks for the info on my g/uncle. I was unaware of his service in ww1. I will look into that. A Happy New Year to you.