Deaths Un England And Wales

[ukanonymous]

Hey everyone again I was just checking as i do about the number of deaths per year. I cant remember 1993 as I was a wee bit too young 9r as they say a glimt in my dads eye hehe but was there a health problem then also? I know there was mad cow disease and swine flu from what i remember but did it kill a lot of people?
http://imgur.com/gallery/dLyUPDF

Ps i verified this image but can't seam to go prior 2000 so maybe if you see any problems with it you could also tell me. I cant use my laptop at the moment its updating :(

Thank you :)

[ukanonymous]

I have I k ow people who died from it :(

[ukanonymous]

https://www.news24.com/witness/news/durban/triple-tragedy-as-mom-dad-and-daughter-die-from-covid-19-three-days-apart-20201231

That is t
Part of the familly of one of my employees :(

[Mamyalynne]

Many of us do UKAnon.

[Neveracrossword]

Ukanonymous, many, many people know someone who has died with/of Covid. We can give you lots more tragic stories if that's what you want to concentrate on. Accurate figures are more pertinent...

[jim360]

David Spiegelhalter.

I'll have a more detailed reply later, although part of the problem is context. For example, one contributing factor to higher death rates historically was a high infant mortality, which has been steadily dropping for quite a while -- in the 1950s, something like 3% of babies would die before their first birthday, as compared with about 0.3% today.

[woofgang]

yup. It used to be common to take out a low value endowment insurance to cover a baby's funeral if they didn't survive. they were called penny policies.

[bobbinwales]

You would be better using real figures than deliberately misleading ones produced by those with a wierd agenda.
The actual deaths figure for England and Wales for 2020 was 611861 * which is rather diffrent to the figure of 562529 on your link.
(* from the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/12/2020-was-deadliest-year-in-a-century-in-england-and-wales-says-ons_

So whats your conclusion now ukanoymous?

[Neveracrossword]

Bobbinwales, the higher figure I gave the OP earlier seems to have been disregarded, the same might happen to yours.

[bobbinwales]

Busted. (he he)

[margarettom]

The Guardian link says error, page not found. I would never count an article in a newspaper as a valid link anyway. I can’t find an authoritative statistical source that quotes a figure of around 600 000.

[bobbinwales]

margarettom- see if this works.
Yes we need to be careful but the Guardian were just reporting ONS figures

[bobbinwales]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/12/2020-was-deadliest-year-in-a-century-in-england-and-wales-says-ons

[Neveracrossword]

Margarettom, my 608,000 figure was from the Office of National Statistics. I think there's a slight problem from the OP, the figures shown don't cover the whole year - misleading...

[bobbinwales]

// Ps i verified this image//
Can you tell us where you verified the image against, UK anonymous as it'd be informertive to see the source - this might throw some light of why its used real data for 1990-2019 but then only an estimate (which turned out to be miles out as it happens) for the most important year of 2020.

As your keen to find data you might want to check the excess figures for all UK, Europe and USA for 2020 and you'll see the clear leap

[jim360]

Context also matters, anyway. The general trend shown in the figures appears to be broadly accurate, but 2020 has completely blown through that trend and -- more than -- reversed it. In a country where healthcare has been improving more or less constantly for several decades, 2020 stands out. It was a complete disaster.

It seems that some people have standards for what counts as disaster that are, at the very least, extremely flexible.

[bobbinwales]

Its not just BAME thats got low rates, its allso some of the more orthodox Jewish groups. Some friends in London have had there covid jab even tho there only in 50s as take up rate in there area (large Jewish community) for over 70s was only about one in three so there wizzing through the population that do want it. Its going to take years not weeks and may never be possible to change cultural belief's on vaccinnes and over come distrust of white establishment and politicians sadly, but they got to try

[bobbinwales]

My bad, wrong covid thread