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this is going to sound crazy, but i wondering, whatever happened to all the research the germans did on the jews in the camps in ww2? i know it was all full of gross stuff, like putting people in a circle, and setting a grenade off to see the effects on humans. did we keep all that research? was it lost? has any of it been usful to developing anything to actually help someone, instead of kill them! i dont know...maybe if something positive came out of it, their deaths might atleast not have been invein...
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i find that VERY hard to believe...the fact is, it exists, someone must have looked over it, someone must have thought something about it, there must have been something useful we couldve used. it seems the right thing to do, lock it up and never see it again, but i seriously doubt that ever happened!
well, it "was" research. sick as it was, i dont agree with what happened in the slighest, its gross and twisted what they did those people. however you look at it, it was research, like it or not....and...how do we "know" it was so horrible, if all the stuff was locked away...someone must have seen it all, and said "ah - horrible stuff"....then locked it away.
dont get me wrong, im not denying it happened, im not a crazed conspiricy theorist...im just curious....
dont get me wrong, im not denying it happened, im not a crazed conspiricy theorist...im just curious....
This is an interesting question.
I remember reading the scientist's dilema about this subject in a book a few years ago (but cannot remember the name of the book).
For example, the Germans found that many of their pilots were bailing out over water, and then were left in the water for hours before being rescued.
Many of course died because of the cold.
The German's decided to do research on "live" prisoners.
They kept them in cold water for hours to see what effect it had on the body and then tried different things to keep the prisoners alive in the water for as long as possible.
This of course is quite valuable research, but after the war the scientific community could not decide if it was morally right to use this research.
Mind you, I am not sure either the US or Russia had that many morals after the war and into the cold war.
After all, the USA were happy to get all the scientists who had been working on the V1 and V2 rockets and ship them to the US to help on their military projects (and the space race) - and to stop the USSR getting their hands on them.
They also shipped over many of the V1 and V2 weapons the found lying around in the factories to help with their "research"
I remember reading the scientist's dilema about this subject in a book a few years ago (but cannot remember the name of the book).
For example, the Germans found that many of their pilots were bailing out over water, and then were left in the water for hours before being rescued.
Many of course died because of the cold.
The German's decided to do research on "live" prisoners.
They kept them in cold water for hours to see what effect it had on the body and then tried different things to keep the prisoners alive in the water for as long as possible.
This of course is quite valuable research, but after the war the scientific community could not decide if it was morally right to use this research.
Mind you, I am not sure either the US or Russia had that many morals after the war and into the cold war.
After all, the USA were happy to get all the scientists who had been working on the V1 and V2 rockets and ship them to the US to help on their military projects (and the space race) - and to stop the USSR getting their hands on them.
They also shipped over many of the V1 and V2 weapons the found lying around in the factories to help with their "research"
As vehelpfulguy says an interesting question, we all know about the way certain scientist were sent to the USA & Russia to help rocket and arms research (and no doubt a few ended up in Britain) and what resulted from that, but It makes you wander just what other developments beneficial to mankind have come out of this "research" and have been disguised as the results of so called "legitimate" research.
it reminds me of the things they did during the cold war also, the sewing of two heads on a dog, and the headless monkey experiement the russians did also. the fact they managed to even to this, is still, even today, unbelieveable, and this was years and years ago. that research was indeed unethical, but the feats those scientists conquered were remarkable, and still are today.
it makes you wonder...what research are our governments doing today, that we dont know about, and that our next generation will find out about when its all declassified in years to come...
personally, in regards to the concentration camp research, there is deffinatley some part of the story either missing, or ommited from what we generally know. this research, as the other guys mentioned, must have, and no doubt, will have had, something that could have been helpful. the fact is, because they were unethical tests, is what makes them so unique. we now for a fact, scientists simply could not keep humans in cold water just to try and keep them alive after, as the ethical implications are huge - i.e. the subject dies! testing on animals is all good and well, but the human research is where its at. sick indeed. i dont deny this. but its a valid point. anyone know any books or something i could read more about this...?
it makes you wonder...what research are our governments doing today, that we dont know about, and that our next generation will find out about when its all declassified in years to come...
personally, in regards to the concentration camp research, there is deffinatley some part of the story either missing, or ommited from what we generally know. this research, as the other guys mentioned, must have, and no doubt, will have had, something that could have been helpful. the fact is, because they were unethical tests, is what makes them so unique. we now for a fact, scientists simply could not keep humans in cold water just to try and keep them alive after, as the ethical implications are huge - i.e. the subject dies! testing on animals is all good and well, but the human research is where its at. sick indeed. i dont deny this. but its a valid point. anyone know any books or something i could read more about this...?
The research was well documented and certainly hasn't been lost. This page says some findings are still considered scientifically valid but you have to hold your nose when mentioning them
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experi mentation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experi mentation
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I can't find a link but there is current debate on whether this data should be available to the scientific and medical community.
While the experiments were terrible they did yield a lot of unique data which could only every be collected in this way.
I'm certainly not justifying it but the general argument in support of using it (apart of course from it's scientific value) is that the people who died in these experiements may provide clues to break throughs in the future and they didn't die for no reason whatsoever.
While the experiments were terrible they did yield a lot of unique data which could only every be collected in this way.
I'm certainly not justifying it but the general argument in support of using it (apart of course from it's scientific value) is that the people who died in these experiements may provide clues to break throughs in the future and they didn't die for no reason whatsoever.
I heard earlier this year that Germany had given access to the massive prisoners files from the Nazi war camps. They had kept such meticulus records that even mentioned the number of nits on each prisoners head! Obviously these records are so immense they will take ages to put online, but I believe you can actually go to where they are kept and do your research there;
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