hitler's death

[the wolf]

what kind of gun did hitler use to shoot himself?

[JiZzHardy]

wow thats a sick question u sick ****. but it's a regular pistol.. just my two cents much luv, JiZz

[Quizmonster]

A 7.65mm Walther pistol. If you click here, that will link you to a web-page on the topic. Once there, scroll down to Paragraph 3.

[Maude]

Referring to the penultimate paragraph of your link, QM, I was in Germany last year when the final number of dead through Hitler was agreed by all affected nations and signed off in a formal document. The agreed number of Jews murdered is 5.925 million. The agreed number of German deaths - murdered? - is 5.9 million.

[Quizmonster]

So...prety even-steven, then Maude. For decades, 6 million has been the almost universally recognised figure for Jewish dead. They didn't 'deserve' to die, whilst German dead - though the vast bulk of them didn't 'deserve' to die either - paid the price for electing the leaders they did and (largely, quite happily) following them off to war against others.

I never cease to be amused by Germans of that era who claim to have been anti-Nazi. What on earth happened to all those cheering, arm-raised multitudes one sees in the filmed record? If I am with someone when such a scene appears in a TV programme, I invariably say: "None of them were there, you know."

[Maude]

I know, QM,/b>. But not all of them were across the Channel. I have very clear memory of Oswald Moseley and a large number of his Brownshirts holding an evening rally on an open area of land close to Bentall's in Kingston-on-Thames, if you know the area. Complete with flaming torches, uniforms, drums, flags and a speech from Moseley who in fact cut quite a gallant figure. Brownshirts had mainly shaved heads like the footballers of today.

[Maude]

I don't know whats happened here, only QM was supposed to appear in bold.

[Quizmonster]

Looking at it, Maude, I'd say you forgot to use the shift key between the 'm' and the forward slash...that's why there's a comma there and no 'instruction' to end the bold lettering. Done it myself many a time.

Obviously, I agree that not all Nazis were German in the 1930s/40s. However, as history shows, the British were not so easily persuaded by their message. Nor are we now.

[Maude]

Nazis and Fascists. Do you draw a distinction?

[Quizmonster]

Not really. Chambers Dictionary defines a Nazi as someone with extreme racist and authoritarian principles. It defines a fascist as someone who supports authoritarian government and extreme nationalism. 'Extreme' nationalism, to my mind, encompasses racism. The words are, effectively, synonymous.

[Pinotage]

Maude, Nazis are fascists, but not all fascists are nazis. Nazi was a fascist political part in Germany, there were other fascist political parties atthe same time in Italy, Spain, Norway etc.

[lambsbell]

it certainly wasn't a starter pistol...thats for sure :)

[Richard Head]

Bit of a loaded question that one

[akaceefax]

I'd like to ad that the nazi is short for national socialist and that they viewed themselfs as socialists and they used the excuse that killing of the jews was a way to make german people better that those of other countries by eliminating the "weaker" people in there socioty. Although hitler became bitter when living on the streets and seeing wealthy jewish people and so it was more of a warped revenge as he blamed them for his troubles. Other things to remember is that disabled people were sterilized and killed and hitlers grandmother was jewish.

[akaceefax]

sorry i got sidetracked before. the political motovation for the holocaust was commited under socialist pretense and the nazi party were socialist and not fascists. However, the attempted elimination of the jews was in actulality a fascist and very evil act.

[babysatan]

a water gun