the Infamous

[delrich]

During the 1920's the Black and tans "policed" Ireland, What were the army regiments they were attached to?

[paddywak]

i dont think they were attached to any army unit but suplimented the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) pherhaps this site might help you get started in your research
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/black_and _tans.htm
even now the Back & Tans are a very touchy subject in Ireland especially the south

[R1Geezer]

Touchy subject? Bl00dy paddies never look at what they did to induce the need for B+T's oh no. Start murdering and terrorising the RIC and then act all surprised when they are reinforced.! Bl00dy spuds fail, oh must be the fault of the English!

[PLIVELY34]

go and check your history delrich. The black and tan's consisted of ex army officers hardened war 'heroes' oh and rapists, murderers and ex-prisoners. They prowled the countryside and towns of ireland beating innocent civillians, raping women and children. absolute scum of the earth. They all should have been hung from lamp posts in my opinion.

[crazy legs]

Too right PLIVELY, too right.

[paddywak]

Even taking into account the actions of the IRA the Black & Tans were in general very brutal, the prevailng attitude among them seeming to be, it doesn't matter if you kill them they're only paddies. In the link in my first post it is shown that senior officers quite openly expressed this sort of opinion and the rank and file following their lead commited some terrible crimes, crimes which don't even have the "excuse" of being carried out during a war they were quite simply the most vicious of crimes carried out under official sanction

[jake-the-peg]

Since you're an Irish history expert Geezer why don't you tell us what a "planter " is!

[paddywak]

i'm not particularly an Irish history expert, Its just a thing I've become quite interested in, as regards to "planters" If I remember rightly it refers to a plan implemented in the early 1600s' by James 1 to settle that many protestents in Ulster that they would outnumber the local catholics in the event of any uprisings

[R1Geezer]

A "planter" is a single dry roasted peanut from a bag of "planters".

Test the wisdom of the Geezer some more!

[jake-the-peg]

Yup

Catholics were simply evicted from land which was then just given to protestants predominantly from Scotland.

So that's Paddywack 1 Geezer 0

For a chance to redeem yourself

a) What were the penal laws?

b) Is it any wonder that the "bloody Paddies" started to fight back?

[paddywak]

As I've said I'm not expert on Ireland just an "interested party"" and I've not gone into these in detail but they were series of laws aimed at forcing the Irish to "convert" from Catholisism and included such things as baning catholics from owning too much land practising their religion etc .As I've said I.ve not gone into it too deeply but they remind me of the "Munich Laws" passed by a certain Mr Hitler, and I agree its no wander rebellion was rife in Ireland. can you imagine the people of England lying down for that sort of treatment?

[dundurn]

The 'penal laws' as promulgated in Ireland were peculiarly Irish, I believe, but in spirit they were not. Very similar laws applied to and were enforced in England and related not only to Roman Catholics but also to Protestant dissenters. When you are the first king of a (dis)United Kingdom and someone threatens to do a 9/11 number on you and your entire parlaiment (aka Gunpowder Plot) taking measures against the group that actively funds and supports these assassins might well seem a good thing.

[jake-the-peg]

Didn't really stop there though did it.

When was Catholic emancipation? 1829 and millions were left to starve in the famine 16 years after that!

Not the fault of the English but English landlords evicting half a million tennants who couldn't pay rent because of it was.

As was the fact that as over a million were dying of starvation Ireland was exporting food to England.

The English history in Ireland is not something we can be proud of.

Tell you what Geezer here's 10p go buy yourself a clue

[ramon2]

noticed how delrich has kept out of this? The original question was what army regiment the Black and Tans were part of and the net result has been sides taken in the irish "troubles". They, the people of ireland are now beginning to bring about a peace, yet here on the internet the fight goes on. How interesting!

[Octavius]

They were an Auxillary Division of the Royal Irish Constabulary, mostly made up of WW1 veterans from England & Scotland.