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The Costs Of Lpg Central Heating
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We are house-hunting (from a distance) and on Tuesday I'm coming back to UK for a week to check out some short-listed properties. One of them is LPG heating - it's reasonably priced and a nice house, but is it the heating that has put people off so far? It's been on the market a while. Does anyone know price comparisons with, say, ordinary gas? I'd probably be looking to change to a heat-exchange system if I can negotiate a price to accommodate that. Thanks, all help welcome, it's a big decision.
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LPG is an excellent heating fuel as it burns well and very clean and pretty green, especially if the gas source is from field gas rather than a refinery. There are also two main differences in the way that LPG (Propane and Butane - 60-40 in winter, 40-60 in summer)) and natural gas (Methane) are burnt. The first difference is in the energy content. LPG has a higher...
13:55 Sun 05th Oct 2014
LPG is an excellent heating fuel as it burns well and very clean and pretty green, especially if the gas source is from field gas rather than a refinery.
There are also two main differences in the way that LPG (Propane and Butane - 60-40 in winter, 40-60 in summer)) and natural gas (Methane) are burnt. The first difference is in the energy content. LPG has a higher calorific value, or energy content, so less gas is required to produce the same amount of heat.
The second difference is in the oxygen to gas ratio required for proper combustion. LPG requires an oxygen to gas ratio of approximately 25 to 1. Natural gas requires a ratio of around 10 to 1. To achieve this difference, LPG is typically provided in a smaller quantity but at a higher pressure, drawing more oxygen with it into the combustion process.
Price comparisons aren't that easy as (i) the rate package of Natural Gas (ii) the storage of your LPG but if cylinders then NG isn't really an option (iii) time of year as LPG prices fluctuate strongly on chemical prices in summer - butane a component that can be taken into butylene manufacture. However one thing up front, is that LPG tends to be used where NG is not available.
Off-peak electricity ("Economy 7") costs about 7.5p per kWhbut peak can double. Natural gas piped into the house ("town gas") costs about 5p per kWh, assuming 90% boiler efficiency and this is one thing you need to check as you might be only 75 to 80 per cent efficient, giving a truer cost of nearer 6 to 7p.
Heating oil (kero mix)and LPG (liquefied petroleum gas, or "Calor Gas"), using similar boilers, currently provide heat at a rate equivalent to 6.2p and 6.5p per kWh respectively. I am using March pricing this year.......crude oil has come down so you should get cheaper prices now.
On the basis of fuel costs alone, gas, oil and LPG are cheaper than standard-rate electricity. But this does not take into account the costs of buying and installing boilers and fuel tanks, nor the annual maintenance costs, nor the fact that boilers have a finite life. The trade price for a new gas boiler is about £600, but you'll be lucky to find a gas fitter who will supply and install one for much less than £ 1,500.
Big companies such as British Gas routinely charge £3,000 or more.
Old gas boilers had few moving parts and could be expected to last for 30 or 40 years, but the new ones are packed full of electronics and might last 10 years or less. So let's budget £200 per year in boiler depreciation.
Then there's an annual servicing cost of at least £50 - and some readers are still paying £180 or more to British Gas for annual breakdown cover, even though this does not include a proper strip-down service. So if you who think that gas is the cheapest fuel should remember to factor in £250 to £400 per year as an extra "standing charge" when they do their calculations. (Add to that the annual landlord's gas safety certificate - £50 - and the Government's proposal that in future every home might also have to have an annual gas safety inspection.)
And there we are. Safety wise both are the same - if you ever smell gas - NEVER turn the electricity ON or OFF.....there's a spark across the switch on either on or off and it's this that causes the ignition point to the gas.
There are also two main differences in the way that LPG (Propane and Butane - 60-40 in winter, 40-60 in summer)) and natural gas (Methane) are burnt. The first difference is in the energy content. LPG has a higher calorific value, or energy content, so less gas is required to produce the same amount of heat.
The second difference is in the oxygen to gas ratio required for proper combustion. LPG requires an oxygen to gas ratio of approximately 25 to 1. Natural gas requires a ratio of around 10 to 1. To achieve this difference, LPG is typically provided in a smaller quantity but at a higher pressure, drawing more oxygen with it into the combustion process.
Price comparisons aren't that easy as (i) the rate package of Natural Gas (ii) the storage of your LPG but if cylinders then NG isn't really an option (iii) time of year as LPG prices fluctuate strongly on chemical prices in summer - butane a component that can be taken into butylene manufacture. However one thing up front, is that LPG tends to be used where NG is not available.
Off-peak electricity ("Economy 7") costs about 7.5p per kWhbut peak can double. Natural gas piped into the house ("town gas") costs about 5p per kWh, assuming 90% boiler efficiency and this is one thing you need to check as you might be only 75 to 80 per cent efficient, giving a truer cost of nearer 6 to 7p.
Heating oil (kero mix)and LPG (liquefied petroleum gas, or "Calor Gas"), using similar boilers, currently provide heat at a rate equivalent to 6.2p and 6.5p per kWh respectively. I am using March pricing this year.......crude oil has come down so you should get cheaper prices now.
On the basis of fuel costs alone, gas, oil and LPG are cheaper than standard-rate electricity. But this does not take into account the costs of buying and installing boilers and fuel tanks, nor the annual maintenance costs, nor the fact that boilers have a finite life. The trade price for a new gas boiler is about £600, but you'll be lucky to find a gas fitter who will supply and install one for much less than £ 1,500.
Big companies such as British Gas routinely charge £3,000 or more.
Old gas boilers had few moving parts and could be expected to last for 30 or 40 years, but the new ones are packed full of electronics and might last 10 years or less. So let's budget £200 per year in boiler depreciation.
Then there's an annual servicing cost of at least £50 - and some readers are still paying £180 or more to British Gas for annual breakdown cover, even though this does not include a proper strip-down service. So if you who think that gas is the cheapest fuel should remember to factor in £250 to £400 per year as an extra "standing charge" when they do their calculations. (Add to that the annual landlord's gas safety certificate - £50 - and the Government's proposal that in future every home might also have to have an annual gas safety inspection.)
And there we are. Safety wise both are the same - if you ever smell gas - NEVER turn the electricity ON or OFF.....there's a spark across the switch on either on or off and it's this that causes the ignition point to the gas.
If that's the house you want, Jourdain, I wouldn't let it put you off.
Initial installation cost is the big deal with LPG, but you have it in already. None of the heating options are cheap today, and they're not going to get any cheaper.
Biomass pellet fuel is currently the cheapest, but again, installation is expensive.
In the medium to long term, fossil fuels and LPG are going to be increasingly expensive to run. Electricity with some of your own generation (eg solar panels and heat exchange) will be the way to go.
Initial installation cost is the big deal with LPG, but you have it in already. None of the heating options are cheap today, and they're not going to get any cheaper.
Biomass pellet fuel is currently the cheapest, but again, installation is expensive.
In the medium to long term, fossil fuels and LPG are going to be increasingly expensive to run. Electricity with some of your own generation (eg solar panels and heat exchange) will be the way to go.
Thank you too.... I've gone from cutting my own wood (from my own wood) for heating to relying on oil (a no-no). All very interesting. I've thought for long enough that if the govt. was serious about green power there should be a requirement to provide 2 solar panels on each new-build. Very kind of you to take the time.
Biomass pellets come in at 7p/kWh and as The Builder says an attractive alternative if and when oil prices really start to climb. Despite all the hoohah, there is still plenty of crude out there to be had, off Brazil where the fields dwarf the Saudi big ones, or by new technology leading to higher secondary recovery techniques, microwaves down well for example that could lead the amount of liquid recoverables up from the current 30-34% of the oil in a field up to 35 to 40%......work that spread out on existing wells!
A mate of mine uses pellets and is very happy with the system - the only question I have is the true life-cycle CO2 as one has to transport the fuel a fair distance by truck and in the making of the pellets.....
A mate of mine uses pellets and is very happy with the system - the only question I have is the true life-cycle CO2 as one has to transport the fuel a fair distance by truck and in the making of the pellets.....
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