I would'nt dream telling ya to loock in a book puzzled!! how would I know if you had one anyway ? and I'd miss the chance to interact with Clanad, who's clearly a man after my own heart, he has an uncanny way of posting often similar answers to me at about the same time, even though he's always 7 hours behind me. Back to the veg! My old dad tought me a lot about growing crops when I was about knee high and I remember him saying when planting pease- One for the farmer one for the crow one to rot and one to grow. And yes he always used plenty of well rotted manure, or in our case it was mostly composted grass cuttings, well rotted being the key word here. Shelling them pease was almost as good fun as eating em!! Enjoy