hooligans

[jean88]

What do you think about the yob culture now-a-days? Intimidating our society and what should be done by the government because the law is over-protecting them but not us.

[brooklyn77]

There is a fundamental problem.

The element of this type of behaviour has been engrained on the minds of these idiots by bad parenting, bad society moral values, lack of discipine and the liberal PC brigade making it impossible to 'get on with things' in this country. These idiots will then pass this ideal on to their kids, and so it goes on.

Things have gone too far now, some things cant be undone and the breakdown in society can not be reversed, it may fluctuate sure, but it cant be reversed, just like you cant reverse the invention of the gun.

You only have to look at idiots like white and black youths in London. Some of them say "I come from the ghetto, no what I mean, I have experienced hardship" err..no you have not..go and live in somalia for 10 years then tell me you had it bad. The point is, kids are not taught how to make the best use of their time.Too many parents are useless themselves, it started with the, they passed it on to the kids of today and It will continue to happen.

So what do we do? Or more to the point what would I do? Zero tolerence policing. Schools would be overhauled with strict discipline, music and vidoe sales or movies would have to have such strict laws that EVERYONE buying a ticket or cd or video would have to present photo ID, EVERYTIME, no matter what age. Anyone caught letting minors watch or listen would be severly punished. Its not everything, but its a start.

[brooklyn77]

Oh, alcohol laws would be altered, more prisons, smoking would be banned, all banned drugs in your rpossession would earn you an automatic 10 year prison sentance. A sentance you recieve is what you will serve.

Oh, and to pay for all this? Get out of the EU, stop spending money on unwanted stuff like the Dome, and get rid of half of government.

 

Blimey !! Sorry I will stop now,

[jean88]

I totally agree with your points especially the issue with the DOME. What a waste of money that was, I cant believe that we have chosen the same PM again for another term who made the DOME decision and many other bad decisions. Like the softy approach to yob culture for instance, this government hasnt made our society any better, they are too good at covering the problems and their failures, they always got ways of twisting the truth. Please less talk more action, Tony B.

[justineo]

I suppose if we looked back through history there has always seemed to be a problem with the youth of the day.  There are quotes going back centuries which reflect the fear and anxiety about the young people in society. The aspect that really worries me is the use of guns.  i do agree with brooklyn77 about parenting but banning things and imposing rigourous laws on people just won't work.  Maybe if we didn't fill our children's minds with crap about religion at school and actually taught them some facts about life and the world and themselves, it would help.  Society reflects the people within it and those people are you and me.  We could all do with reassessing our attitudes to other peoples and the world. 

[tali122]

as long as idiotic courts slap these hooligans on the wrist- they will evolve and keep breeding and continuing their anti-social behaviour- zero tolerance should start in the court room

[beckyboo]

Cut off their Goolies

[inferno]

jeans88 - the Dome was commissioned by the Conservative Govt before Tony Blair came in to office.

[jean88]

If it was such a bad idea (dome) why did the government still when ahead with it. With a mass of labour against the idea and the PM still put it forward.

[gordy_b]

If my memory serves me correctly the dome idea was commissioned, investigated and scrapped by the previous Conservative government.

It just goes to show that Mr Blair gets what he wants every time - hence Iraq and backing up George Bush.  How many times does he have to get it wrong before the electorate realise?

[romko]

further criminality is often incited by the sight of people 'getting away with it', so suitable justicial measures and reform programmes are needed. However, I disagee with the  'bring back the birch' mob. A system based only on punishment is treating the symptoms not the cause of this social malaise and stricter punishments don't in themselves deter crime. More systematic application of the ones we have would be better.

 America has draconian legislation yet some of the highest crime levels in the world. Sending yobs to prison worsens their outlook on life,  when mixing with  hardened criminals minded they just learn more delinquent behaviour.

A programme in good parenting and social conduct could be enforced on those parents who let their offspring run amok. civic education on rights AND responsibilities at school for children. 

A cause of antisocial behavoiur is the lack of empathy with others and lack of consideration of consequences.  In society the emphasis is on consuming, buying, and being better than the next guy, not going against the flow. This pressure to conform and the general lack of critical reflection doesnt help prevent criminal behaviour amongst the uneducated. We need to teach people to THINK. Especially those from disadvantaged backgrounds, who are most in need of education to overcome their poor start in  life.  Smaller classes and zero tolerance of classroom delinquency would help.

everyone likes to feel useful, and people without an outlet often turn to crime. work programmes for convicted criminals may enable them to find their place and see that there is an alternative to being a yob. Many yobs simply never had the example, were never shown that there is any other way of life than the one they know.

one thing is clear: there is no easy answer.

13:57 Tue 21st Jun 2005

[londondave]

What about turning the dome into a prison. no luxuries, no tv, basic food,

[clairus99]

1.  Zero tolerance

2.  Fine the parents.

I think things would change pretty damn fast.

[Little Lady]

Nothing will change until peoples beliefs change about things, as beliefs are what make you what you are, on anything what so ever not just religous beliefs but anything in general. And as everyones beliefs vary sooo much there is going to be conflict until people decide to say 'hang on a minute, maybe our differences in beliefs dont have to mean divisions and we should accept and listen to what they have to say but not have to do what they do.' We have to look at ourselves before we can change others as in every space and time people are always learning from us in situations and noting what we do and they may take our example and use it in their own lives but changed slightly to suit their outlook. A majority of people just want to be heard, but as soon as they hear people disagree war breaks out. We can't go on living in a society like this for much longer i am scared of ever bringing children up in this world and actually thought about this the other day, Until people change their beliefs about something nothing will change......

[The_Mac_Lad]

In reply to beckyboo, i've worked with these kids all over the country and you're correct, THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THEM IS TO CUT OFF THEIR GOOLIES, GET THEM OFF!!!!!

[brooklyn77]

Further to my last an someones comment earlier, I wanted to add that It is true that you cant just punish people and not address the causes. Totaly agree, however, and I am sure you will agree, as I mentioned on the first post, we are in a sort of spiral. Parent passes bad morals down to kids, those kids pass it on to theirs etc.. So what is the answer, good schooling, giving the kids counselling etc.. possibly, it will help a few, but not all. I n my line of work I know that there are a hard core selection of kids who have been brainwashed by their parents, surroundings etc.. that they are hard done by, everyone is out to get them, its everyone elses fault and the police are scum for trying to arrest them. Well I am sorry those kids will teach their kids the same thing. You cant get these youths to behave or go to counselling.

What you need is better education., parenting lessons etc..better moral values and no religion in schools. Yes, yes, agree with all that, but what about these parasites that wont join in with society? These are the ones we need zero tolerence on. And heavy punishments. Whilst we invest in the future of the kids who are reachable, the vermin of our society should be just kept at arms reach until they die of natural causes. By the time all that lot die, then the ones we have been working on will hopefully grow up to be nice and friendly. Any children that the scum have will either be taken by social services or the scum will have their goolies cut off...good idea !

[brooklyn77]

Just give you an example, A kid who is about 15 has a (fact) history of Robbery, Possession of an imitation firearm, GBH, theft and recently went to court for another robbery...what did he get? Supervision order and some other very minor thing.

Now, sorry but I dont care how young you are...he deserved to be put away. There are no excuses, If he did not learn the first 5,6,7,8 times, why are we giving him another chance. What is this guy thinking ??? What are we doing as society ??

He must think the law is rubbish, It is !!

(By the way...I wish people would stop blaming the police for the kids behaviour, the police can only do what they can with what they are given. The police only put the scum before the courts, what happens at court is down to the judges, the government and legislation.)

[brooklyn77]

One last thing, the dome...

Conservatives may have bought it up, but that is not to say they would have f***** it up like Labour did when they actually implemented it.

I cant believe that a government who has done so much wrong has been re-elected.

Lets see now...the petrol crisis, fox hunting mess, the dome, immigration, lack of affordable housing, high taxes (more than ever before) a black hole in the governments spending, cherie blair sticking her ore n everywhere, oh, i am sure there was something else..now what was it, someone remind me..I..Ira...qqqq..Ohhhh Iraq...what a mess that was, agree with the war or not, his handling of it was appauling. I could go on..but I wish people would give the conservatives a go. I think every voter in the country should be a swing voter. Each term a government lies or mucks the country up in any way should be voted out at the following election....keep doing that until they stop lying. One day a government will think...maybe if we stop lying to the people we may spend more than one term in power...that sound good to you ? Then lets do it !! Power to the people !!

[ianess]

brooklyn 77.....you're doing well so far and I have hardly anything to add other than to suggest a 9pm curfew to stop youngsters, some under 10 years of age, from creating noise and hassle in the streets.  It was still going on at 11.30 last night......what the h*ll were their parents doing?  Did they care, and if not why not?
Hit the parents hard in the pocket....that might get the little darlings under control.

[The_Mac_Lad]

brooklyn77, if you're thinking the Tories are going to do any better than the current Government, just have a look at what a state the country was in between 1979 and 1997.

[brooklyn77]

Oh dear, oh dear, have we learnt nothing from my post earlier?

I never said the Tories would do a better job.

What I am saying is that regardless of what a mess the tories made of things almost 9 years ago (9, thats 9 n.i.n.e years ago) this government have not really taken us any further forward, they may have done some good things too but how can anyone trust a government this bent? Its beyond belief.

If we all took my stance that every term any government was in power, if they lied to the point of a serious breach to their duty to lead this county (like Blair) or were somehow shown to be incapable of running this country sufficiently or were jst naff we vote them out at the first opportunity, then keep doing that till they learn.

Why do you want to put up with constant second rate governments.

All your reds have done this time round by voting Blair back in is tell him "its ok to mess up" All he cares about is getting back in each time. We should have got the blues back in, if they messed it up, vote the yellow in, keep going until all the parties have had a crack then go back to the reds and keep going round until one day a party stops lying, gets things right, and then keep them in. Imagine what power the British electorate would hold then? Any government would then really have to keep on top of things. Would that not be a great idea?

Please dont say it cant be done. Because if you tick the right box..it can be done..its as simple as that.

How can my logic not work? Yeah fine voting governments in and out wont give us a chance to progress quickly but neither will it give a government long enough to REALLY mess things up. But I would rather do that and get a true, honest government in eventually rather than settle for second or third best.

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