How to read a title Plan???

[Jessi-9]

Hi there

I have just purchased my title plan from HM Land Registry in the hope I can see if the boundary fence between my neighbour and I belongs to me.

I hope it is mine so that I can repair it!! Long story but I have issues with the neighbour refusing to fix it or even allow me too!

I am looking at the plan non the wiser.....how do I understand this....is there anything I should be looking for????

I just want to fix te damm fence without getting into trouble!!!

Thank you xxxx

[Jessi-9]

Please....anyone....

[cathfromsaron]

there is a code in the dotted lines/shading for who owns the fence/wall!

sorry can't tell you anything more!

[Jessi-9]

Thanks Cath....but there is no dotted line or shading???

[cathfromsaron]

how do they indicate the boundary?

or ask the 'other side' neighbour because they are usually alternate ...

[Jessi-9]

On the plan a property appears as a rectangle. There are lots of rectangles on the plan, some have a red mark around them all, some are left in just a lighter pencill line. Mine is a complete red box (rectangle shape)??? Would that mean I am responsible for all fencing?

[cathfromsaron]

no that just indicates the property! the black/grey/dotted lines indicate ownership! maybe they have gone all digital since i had my boundary dispute!

[237SJ]

I looked at my boundary plan a while ago as the fence needed repairing. It`s not on mine either. One of the things I did do was look at the questions the vendor was asked as part of the purchase process. One of the questions was who was responsible for the fence but he didn`t know which was a fat lot of good. The general rule seems to be that as you look out, you own the one on the right. Various neighbours confirmed this (in my case)

[Jessi-9]

Oh ok.....well my property is basically a box of complete red, so are some other properties byt some are left in black?? When I zoom in and looks as though there MIGHT have been an orginal dotted line on one side?? Cant be sure....what does a dotted line mean?

[cathfromsaron]

front or back?

we own right at back!

[Jessi-9]

Thanks 237....its a nightmare! I kind of NEED it to be the right hand side (when I look out the back) so I can repair the fence

[Jessi-9]

Cath - the back.

[The Builder]

Very rarely do they show fence ownership Jesse. If they do, it would be a "T" mark on the red line............ the "T" is shown on the side of the line to whom the fence belongs.

It's all down to who put the fence up in the first place. You could always put up another fence inside the existing one.

[Jessi-9]

Thanks Builder!!! How would the T sit? I mean is it possible I cant see the T because theres all this red pen on it...lol ??

[woofgang]

fences which are your responsibility on a plan are marked with a T with the top transverse bar of the T nearest the fence on your side. A T on the other side of th fence means it is your neighbour's responsibility. It is possible that you don"t own any fence. We only own about 1/8 of the fence around our irregularly shaped garden.
If having a sound fence is important to you (it is to me) and you can't sort it with the neighbour, then your other recourse is to build a new fence inside the old one.

[cathfromsaron]

ah yes, it was that kind of code i was badly refering to!

so you want to find the repair and he won't allow you?

or does he think you want *him* to?

good luck jessi! good fences make good neighbours!

[Jessi-9]

Feel a bit cheated out of £4 now lol. Had pinned all my hope on this document. Bloody HM Revenue

[The Builder]

The top (horizontal) part of the T would run with the boundary line. The tail (vertical) would point into your property, or the neighbour's.

[sunny-dave]

As I understand the law (nb I am not a lawyer), no-one is responsible for fencing their own property unless a specific duty is included in the original deeds.

You can't force someone to either erect or repair a fence between their property and yours.

Equally they can't stop you putting up your own fence - as long as it is on your land and observes any local bylaws or planning constraints.

If the ownership of the original fence is disputed/unclear then the simplest option is to erect a new fence along your side of the old one - you lose a few inches of land, but that is probably worth it to avoid continued aggravation.

The T shaped marks on a boundary line on plans are commonly supposed to indicate ownership/responsibility for a fence, but unless there is a specific statement in the deeds this is debatable at best.

[Jessi-9]

Thank you cath....Agree with you there!!! And YES i have offered to pay the renewal of the fence. Its really getting me down. He refuses!. I was hoping it was mine so I could say "up yours" matey I'm fixing it....

[Jessi-9]

Thanks woofgang.....very helpful. Yes fencing is important to me, I need the security with children and being on my own.