Speeding summons

[cockroach]

Hubby has had a summons to court. After we correspondd with the camera police stating stat we did not know who was driving the co. van at the time & they could not prove this by photo. The camera police did not reply & now 6mth later he has a summons. He has to 1. plead guilty to the speed offence & also now a added charge of not supplying the driver details. 2. plead not guilty & go to court. The court letter states he has to put all income saving & outgoings down.!! Is this their business & any reccommendations on what action he should take. Oh it was in Barfod warwickshire wher thousands have compained about the camera.

[joko]

it doesn't matter who was driving - the van is essentially in your husbands name, so he is responsible.
the fact that he doesn't have a record of who has his van is no-one elses fault but his own.
had you been able to give the drivers details then maybe you could have avoided all this, but as you didn't the blame has been placed on you.
if you can find out who was driving, you could perhaps recover the money by wage deductions, but your husband is the one who must deal with the issue legally, as it has now gone further than a speeding ticket, and as you cannot just say you don't know who has driven your vehicle and expect the matter to be dropped.

lots of people complain about lots of speed cameras - this is irrelevant

i suggest pleading guilty, pay up and get your money back from the person driving...perhaps go through job sheets and hours worked etc to work out who it was.

i would also suggest contacting them and asking why they need all that info and why ot is relevant - i suspect its for them to work out fine repayments etc, but this is the only way to be sure.

[Ethel]

Yes - they need the information to scale your fine.

One thing for sure - if they don't have this information already, they can get it. So it is pointless lying in the hope of getting a smaller fine/more time to pay.

[Barmaid]

I would not plead guilty to both. Clearly he is guilty of the s172 offence (ie not providing the details) because he should have kept company records to help identify the driver. However, he should not plead guilty to the speeding offence as he cannot in all honesty say it was him and the police cannot prove it was him. I would imagine the prosecution will accept a plea to the s172 and offer no evidence on the speeding.

[cockroach]

thx all...he's off to see a sol tomorrow. I still think its out of order how they want to know all you income & outgoings & partners too... facist state...oh gosh must not get myself wound up.

[Grunty]

Sorry you feel that way about the need for financial details. As Ethel says, this is to allow the fine to be scaled. To take an extreme view, would you think it fair for a millionaire to be fined the same as his part-time cleaner?