Sale Of Raffle Tickets.

[hellywelly4]

If I buy a strip of 5 raffle tickets I think I am buying 5 goes in the raffle. However, in the area where I live, people seldom separate the individual tickets and the whole strip is drawn out so there is only one chance to win,
Is this legal? Surely they should just sell one ticket at a time as I am only getting one go?

[gness]

Eddie....are you sure that selling more than one raffle ticket for a discount is legal......we were never allowed to do that?
Perhaps check the regulations....I think they'll say that the price of each ticket must be the same.....and that offering free tickets is illegal.....x

[hellywelly4]

My personal view is that it should be specified that the £1 is for the strip not for 5 goes. Whenever I have run a raffle I always separate the 5 tickets so that people get 5 goes. Admittedly it does go against the grain if a person wins more than once, but usually people say put the ticket back . What's a brewery got to do with it Mamy? Lost you there! To answer two posts - the whole 5 tickets is the winning ticket. They usually say the top number when it's drawn out. Trust you to lower the tone gness!!!!

[naomi24]

Eddie, //For example I have just bought some that were 50p each or a strip of 5 for £2.//

That is illegal.

[gness]

Huh!.....When I collected for Save the Children you'd be amazed at the number of men who brought their children to the door and said....Here's two for you...... :-(

[Mamyalynne]

Sorry Helly , it was a pun on 'They couldn't run a (expletive) in a Brewery'.

[dannyk13]

It is definitely illegal to sell tickets at a discount.
http://www.raffle.co.uk/legal-requirements/

[EDDIE51]

If 50p a ticket or a strip of 5 for £2 is illegal , then every raffle I can ever remember entering has been illegal, including the one I bought tickets for at lunchtime today in my local pub.

[gness]

Eddie....the rules say it's illegal.......It's illegal.......I'll bake you a cake with a file in it...... ;-)

[EDDIE51]

^ dannyk your link refers to actual printed raffle tickets . I am talking about the ordinary books of numbered raffle tickets you can buy at any newsagent or stationary shop. Not specially printed tickets with the organisers name. This is what I am talking about
http://www.clarksonschool.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/raffle-ticket.jpg

[EDDIE51]

^ I think the correct name is cloakroom tickets but everyone calls them raffle tickets.

[gness]

Please read this carefully Eddie - I'd hate to see you in prison ... ;)

http://oi66.tinypic.com/e7mhyg.jpg

[EDDIE51]

A bit of Googling tells us there are 2 types of raffle , a lottery raffle and a Tombola raffle
http://letsgetfundraising.co.uk/boosting-profits/raffles-and-tombolas.aspx
I am talking about a Tombola raffle as I assume the questioner is.
The notices about not selling tickets at a discount applies to a lottery raffle which has to be registered with your local authority. See the link.

[pixie374]

Yes, they should make it clear whether you are buying one or five tickets, but presumably, if you ask for 5, they would give you 5 strips.

[jno]

as long as everyone's buying the same thing, it doesn't matter if it's a square of paper with a number on it or a strip of paper with five numbers on it. All that matters is that they should have an equal chance of winning. If people buy strips and strips are what's drawn, nobody's been robbed.

[Buenchico]

For Eddie and others:

ALL lotteries are illegal unless they comply with strict rules on registration with national bodies or local authorities OR they fall within the categories of 'exempt entertainments' or 'private lotteries'.

'Exempt entertainments' are "a bazaar, sale of work, fete, dinner, dance, sporting or athletic event or other entertainment of a similar character, whether limited to one day or extending over two or more days".

'Private lotteries' are lotteries promoted for
"(a) for members of one society established and conducted for purposes not connected with gaming, betting or lotteries;
(b) for persons all of whom work on the same premises; or
(c) for persons all of whom reside on the same premises"
The sale of tickets in a private must be confined
"(a) to the persons for whom the lottery is promoted; and
(b) in the case of a lottery promoted for the members of a society, to any other persons on the society’s premises".
Further, "the price of every ticket or chance shall be the same, and the price of any ticket shall be stated on the ticket" and "every ticket shall bear upon the face of it the name and address of each of the promoters and a statement of the persons to whom the sale of tickets or chances by the promoters is restricted".

So raffles within pubs are ALWAYS illegal (unless tickets are only sold to members of a society OR the tickets which are sold form part of a registered lottery OR they're only sold to people attending an 'entertainment', such as a firm's annual dinner, on the premises ).

Further, the use of cloakroom tickets as raffle tickets is effectively limited to 'exempt entertainments', as all other lotteries (whether 'private' or 'registered') must use tickets with the price, and the name of the promoter, printed on them.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1976/32/part/I

[andres]

One strip has five different numbers so it is quicker to sell a strip rather than selling just one ticket to one person and two tickets to someone else etc. but the person running the raffle should put the individual raffle counterfoil tickets into the draw. You have paid for five separate numbers .

[THECORBYLOON]

If there's not the option to buy individual tickets, folk wouldn't be buying five tickets, they're buying a strip. You could enter the whole strip in the draw or a single ticket from each strip, it would make no odds.

[paddywak]

When we had a meat draw on Friday night in the Local Welfare the committee always insisted that the counter foils were split so that if you paid for five ticket on a strip you got five chances.Eventually they lashed out on a random draw selector which made things a lot easier

[EDDIE51]

Buenchico, Thanks, interesting link, then every pub I have ever used has held an illegal lottery at least once a year. My Weatherspoons is holding one now , tickets 50p each or £2 a strip of 5 . So that's two ways illegal . The police station is 2 doors away and they have a notice advertising the Christmas draw and the prices outside the pub.
If the manager is missing tomorrow I will go and visit him in jail.
Looks like one of those laws that exist but are never going to be used.
Even the charity shop over the road is holding a Christmas raffle so they can arrest them along with the pub landlord.

[naomi24]

Eddie, you're wrong - and so are the people who are selling discounted raffle tickets. The fact that the law hasn't acted upon it doesn't make it right.