Should Second Offenders Get Another Second Chance ?

Canary42 | 23:00 Thu 20th Aug 2020 | Law

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There is a very strong case for saying an unequivocal and resounding NO.

The criminal Alex Lanning in this case was released halfway through his first custodial sentence and then went out and murdered an innocent victim.

Now he's got 25 years (not nearly enough anyway) and I bet the Parole pansies will let him out again well before then. This should never ever be allowed for second offenders in my opinion.

If you screw up your second chance, that should screw you up from ever getting another.

The number of times I read of magistrates/judges giving convicts yet another "last chance" appalls me.

When are we going to get a Government which really is tough on Law - on past showing Labour are unlikely to be any better (cue for TTT to claim they would be worse).

[end of rant]

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albaqwerty

I think what bugs me about the wholse system is that when someone is sentenced to 5 years, they should serve the 5 years.
Then, if they commit a second, similiar crime to the first, or more serious, then they are given a very much longer sentence.

jno

yes, I'd certainly like the US system of citing the full sentence - five-to-ten years or whatever.

I'm not sure what happens in this case. He was out on licence; does he now have to serve the rest of his first term before the second one starts?

Theland

Yes no time off for good behaviour but time added for bad behaviour.
Yes full sentence to be served.

Politicians are wary of the cost of prison, £40k/year/prisoner.

Spicerack

Good to see you crossing to the right side of the street, Canary.

pixie374

//Reoffending or recidivism is key to the operation of the repetitive cycle of incarceration, re-entry, re-offending and re-incarceration, and represents a major policy challenge. In the UK, 75% of ex-inmates reoffend within nine years of release, and 39.3% within the first twelve months.//

The biggest problem is that prison only works for a small minority. Those that have reoffended are not going to be any better once they leave. So we either need much longer sentences for second (or more) offences... I can't think of an effective alternative though.

ummmm

Theland - that's how it already works.

Theland

Then why aren't full sentences served?

pixie374

They are... just not necessarily in prison.

Theland

Thanks.

TheChair

//and I bet the Parole pansies will let him out again well before then//
He was sentenced to life, with a minimum term of 25 years. I'm pretty sure that that means he won't be eligible for parole for 25 years.

emmie

should have got a whole life term in my opinion...no parole

Peter Pedant

// The number of times I read of magistrates/judges giving convicts yet another "last chance" appalls me.//

that would be because you are so appalled that you dont read on and find out just how lousy prison is at preventing reoffending

60% go back to nick
75% think the future facing little smow - never have a job

if ther was a covid vaccine that worked in less than 40% of cases you would say it wouldnt work(*). In the same analysis - prison doesnt work

(*) yeah cries from a 100 ABers - "why he say covid
den?"

anyway you mean a third chance dont you?

Peter Pedant

yes the chair is correct
the Home Sec used to send or not to the parole board as it occurred
this was found correctly to be an elected politician exercising judicial powers
[well so what if you look at Trump]
and was changed to the Judge at the time of sentencing

you will notice it radically changes the system ( a prison works effect cannot then be taken into account)

naomi24

No, they shouldn’t be given a second chance. Unless our priority is rehabilitation of the offender rather than protection of the public, prison works admirably insofar as it denies criminals the opportunity to reoffend.

douglas9401

Prison may not work from the point of view of rehabilitation but has shown remarkable results in keeping some nasty folk off the streets and giving the rest of us a break for a while.

Ken4155

Wouldn't judges alter their sentencing accordingly if full prison terms were to be served? As it presently stands, judges are aware that if they give a scrote 5 years nick, said scrote will serve 2.5, which is maybe what the judge deems a worthy punishment. If that judge wanted the scrote to serve 5 years, he would have sentenced him/her to 10 years. So, ff to a new system, and instead of handing out a 5 year sentence same judge would just send the scrote down for 2.5 years.