bouncers and their id cards

[gingk]

for the first time ever, my boyfriend was removed from a bar last night- for no reason. he was chatting to some guys in the toilet about trainers and carried on as they walked out of the toilet, one of the guys girlfriends came over and thought he was kicking off and told him to eff off. my boyfriend said im only chatting and carried on chatting with the lads. a bouncer appeared behind him and told him to leave, when he asked why he said he had seen my boyfriend being restrained by 2 girls to stop him fighting- this had definitely not happened. my boyfriend then walked down the stairs and the bouncer tried to grab him again, at which point i told the bouncer not to touch him and tell me what happened. the bouncer immediately started shouting in my face. he then threw us out and when we tried to talk to him outside he said he would show us CCTV of my boyfriend 'kicking off', we agreed and of course he changed his mind. another bouncer had his ID card showing but the one having a go at us had his tucked in his coat and refused to take it out, when i asked for his ID number he said i needed to get the police to find it out, is this right. i want to report him, he was very aggressive- i thought he was supposed to diffuse a situation. we are going back this afternoon to ask to look at the CCTV, do we have a right to do this? please help, my boyfriend is the most placid person on the planet and definitely did not have to be restrained

[dannydingbat]

Firstly, nobody has the right to be on licensed premises if the licensee says that they cannot be there. So going to look at a CCTV to consider a matter to be right or wrong would have no value. It would only confirm (or not) mistaken identity and would not serve any ueful purpose. As far as the door person was concerned, they would be classed as a Front Line Operative under the Security Industry Authority cirteria and, as such be properly licensed. The requirements on wearing badges would be:-

"SIA licences are issued subject to certain conditions. Your licence can be withdrawn or suspended if the conditions are not met.

Front-line staff must:

Wear the licence where it can be seen at all times when working (unless you have reported it lost or stolen, or it is in the possession of the SIA)
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Tell the SIA and the police immediately if your licence is lost or stolen

Tell the SIA immediately of any convictions, cautions or warnings, or charges for relevant offences whether committed in the UK or abroad

Tell the SIA of any changes to your name or address

Not deface or change the licence in any way. Should your licence become damaged, you should advise the SIA and request a replacement

Not wear a licence that has been defaced or altered in any way

Produce the licence for inspection by authorised personnel when asked to do so

Return the licence to the SIA immediately if you are asked to do so"


Suggest you have a look at www.the-sia.org.uk and, if you are suggesting an offence has been committed, report it to them and/or the Police.

[Peter Pedant]

Oh, yes you do. Please post your progress

The CCTV should be advertised outside or even go inside and ask, and ask for the person who is in charge of the CCTV, or write to the Data controller of the night club and give details of the CCTv time and everything and even a photie of your boyfiriend (he has to sign the letter by the way) and off you go

google the office of the infomation commissioner and you will find it all there under Data protection.

Good luck

[antiguru]

Sorry if this reads like a blunt question, but it is a genuine question. What are you aiming to achieve?