Flag Pole..........

[dot.hawkes]

18 feet high, next door but one's back garden, st georges Cross flying noisily at night and rope slapping against pole annoying...........had no letter from couuncil ref planning permission, what should i do?

[Barmaid]

I reckon if the flag pole is over 5m high (which at 18ft, I think it would be), PP is needed. Also if it is in a conservation area or if the house is listed PP is needed.

I would call the local planning department and ask to speak to a planning officer.

[iBrowse]

id be pi$$ed of if i had to look at an england flag out me window,,,,i HATE the english.....lol

i mean the english english....as opposed to the english...

[Ethel]

I don't think planning permission is neeeded:

Under current planning regulations, it is illegal to fly any national flag without permission from the local council, unless it is hung on "a single vertical flagstaff".

As part of a shake-up of planning rules connected to advertising, the government is issuing new advice to councils allowing any national flag to be flown without permission, however it is displayed.

It is on a single, vertical flagstaff and it is a national flag.

But speak to your Council planning department to be sure and if no joy there try environmental health for noise nuisance.

[dot.hawkes]

it looke about 18ft to me, based on my best judgement studying it alongside the 6ft garden fence. If he has got in in under the legal maximum height without planning permission i wonder if the noise issie would come under a different dept? I moved after 20 years, from living 50 yards from the Churchm and when the wind was in the wring direction the noise and whirring from their flag pole ontop of the tower was annoying, this is about 25 feet from my bedroom and it is constant!
I shall email the local authority, thanks barmaid

[dot.hawkes]

My son is Welsh by birth and he says it offends him lol
I don't know why the guy feels it is necessary, unless he wants to prove his nationalism. He's a slob and walks around at 5am chucking his dog's mess in other peoples bins..........real Englishman eh?

[Ethel]

Do you live in Wales, dot?

[Rollo]

If you son is Welsh, but lives in England, then he had better just put up with it - or go and live in Wales.

[dot.hawkes]

Not since 1982 Ethel, my son was born at the now demolished St David;s Hospital in 1981.

[dot.hawkes]

Rollo I was living in Cardiff as my husband was in the RAF at St Athan. My two other children are Lancastrians, thanks be praised

[Ethel]

So he's lived in England since he was 1.

One year in Wales, 27 years in England. :)

[dot.hawkes]

Yes Ethel. Oh I see..........the comment from my son was irony. lol ..........actually he has a Welsh Christian name.

[dot.hawkes]

Please notise that i did put LOL after the bit about my son saying he would have a Welsh flag, maybe the news section avoids seeing the humour in things.

[Barmaid]

Dot

I have just looked a bit further into it and I think Ethel may be right. Trouble is, none of what I have found is terribly conclusive (and I never touch planning law, so I don't have any books here). The Town and Country (Permitted Development) Order 2005, seems to state that PP is needed in the circumstances I have said. However, elsewhere it seems to indicate that PP is not needed. In any event, if the flagpole is there legally, no further PP is needed to fly the national flag.

I would contact the planning department. Otherwise, Buildersmate may be on later and he seems to know loads about this stuff!

[Rollo]

Then I think son needs to accept that by living in England he might just come across some English people who like to show that they are English by flying the English flag.

[dot.hawkes]

Rollo........it was meant to be a funny comment........please try to not focus on it too much ok?: )

Thanks Barmaid, it's the noise that is the issue.

[Ethel]

I love St. David's, Dot

Years ago I was at the very top of the tower, had a sudden attack of vertigo and couldn't get back down. That was horrid, but it hasn't put me off. A beautiful part of the world. St. Govan's is my very favourite place, but I am no longer able enough to get down to the little chapel

[Rollo]

Sorry dot. I did not find it at all "funny".

I do finf the Welsh quite "funny" though.

[Ethel]

I bet the noise is very like the sound moored yachts make with the rigging clanging against the masts.

[Rollo]

Or even "find" them funny.

Funny peculiar, or funny haha? You decide that one.

:-))

[dot.hawkes]

Lol oh Rollo, I'll tell my son, he'll be gutted.

Ethel I meant St David's Hospital Cardiff which is actually just through the Park before canton, behind the Castle.