I have to have an enhanced crb done as i work as a technician in schools & colleges.

[stevo5]

Could someone give me some advice please..Do i have to tick the criminal offence etc etc box,(sorry cannot remember the exact wording) if the conviction was over 22yrs ago & related to "by passing an electricity meter" i guess this would be theft. Would be gutted if the college finds out. Hence the reluctance of ticking this box......Thanks

[dotty.]

I think that is fraud not theft

[dotty.]

http://www.theanswerb...l/Question687131.html

[PipinHull]

For an enhanced CRB check you may as well disclose everything because it'll all be on there, whether it is spent or not. It is much better to be honest from the outset. All employers that require employees to have CRB checks make judgement calls - very rarely is it an automatic 'no' (unless of course it is an offence relating to violence or children).

[stevo5]

Could be fraud ! long time ago now. No real answer on the link.

[stevo5]

I tend to agree with you. Who gets to know about it ? I cannot see how they could use this against someone.

[PipinHull]

I don't know about higher education establishments but I work with charities and voluntary groups that often have to make judgements like this. Usually it is the trustee board, in the case of a college there will a nominated person or board that will make the decision. If the position was for a finance officer for example then it might be relevant, but for a technician role I think they would going over the top to discount you because of a 22-year-old conviction. Heck if you can bypass an electricity meter you must be a good technician.... though you did get caught...

[Prudie]

Does the employer/college actually get to see the report - I don't think so. I had one done for my work and I just got the certificate to go on my personnel file.
I and my co-workers also have to be security vetted (similar but not the same I know). The head of security said it was best to disclose everything as they will judge you poorly if you try to hide things (like spent convictions).

[stevo5]

HaHa.. Yes it was a stupid thing to do (no money & cold kids in the house) Was shopped by a work colleague... thanks for taking time to reply.

[PipinHull]

I see what you mean, Prudie - if he is effectively being employed by a council (for example) to work across a number of schools and colleges then it would by the council that would see it and make the judgement, it would not get passed around every school etc. Steve says 'the college' so I assumed it was only one.

[PipinHull]

Weird, I used to work in something similar for Eastern Electricity - dealing with the notifications of people who'd blown themselves to smithereens messing about with gas meters.

[Buenchico]

I'm assuming that you've already completed an employment application form (or that's what you're actually doing now). That form should make it clear that the provisions of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (in relation to 'spent' offences) do not apply to employment working with, or alongside, children or vulnerable adults. Convictions NEVER become spent in relation to such employment. You MUST declare all convictions. Failure to do so is an offence under Section 3 of the Fraud Act 2006, which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment.

The offence will show up anyway on a CRB check, whether at standard or enhanced level, so it would be pointless (as well as a criminal offence) not to declare it. The offence was 'abstracting of electricity, contrary to Section 13 of the Theft Act 1968'.

Chris

[BettyNoir]

sorry to hijack your post slightly, but on the subject of CRB checks - if a person is accused of a crime, questioned, but never charged, would that show up on a CRB check or not?

[stevo5]

I'm assuming that you've already completed an employment application form (or that's what you're actually doing now). That form should make it clear that the provisions of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (in relation to 'spent' offences) do not apply to employment working with, or alongside, children or vulnerable adults. Convictions NEVER become spent in relation to such employment. You MUST declare all convictions. Failure to do so is an offence under Section 3 of the Fraud Act 2006, which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment.

The offence will show up anyway on a CRB check, whether at standard or enhanced level, so it would be pointless (as well as a criminal offence) not to declare it. The offence was 'abstracting of electricity, contrary to Section 13 of the Theft Act 1968'.

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Blimey you don't beat around the bush do you ! lol.. Cheers for this very clear answer.

[stevo5]

Btw I haven't completed an employment application, as i have been self employed for over 30yrs.

[stevo5]

sorry to hijack your post slightly, but on the subject of CRB checks - if a person is accused of a crime, questioned, but never charged, would that show up on a CRB check or not

If you were cautioned, then it asks for the tick !

[ninja100]

Enhanced checks show current and "spent" convictions, cautions, reprimands and warnings held on the Police National Computer. They may also show relevant non-conviction information from local police records which can be released to the Countersignatory only,in the form of a separate letter. You can ggogle this more under 'non-conviction information on crb'.
cheers.

[Buenchico]

Thanks for your reply, Stevo5.

For BettyNoir:
A standard level CRB check will only show convictions, cautions and reprimands.

An enhanced check will also show relevant information from specific bodies (such as the General Teaching Council, or the Nursing and Midwifery Council, as appropriate), together with any information deemed relevant by a senior police officer.

Following the Soham murders, there was much concern that Ian Huntley had previously been questioned about alleged sexual offences but that information was not included on his enhanced CRB check. Police forces now tend to err on the side of caution and include just about everything that they know about someone. For example, I know of a teacher who found that her former partner's sexual offences appeared on her own enhanced CRB check. There has also been a post, here on AB, from a teacher who found that an allegation of 'sexual grooming' appeared on his CRB check, even though he'd never been questioned about it (or even made aware of it).

[Fed]

Definitely tick the box - honesty is always best policy because they WILL find out! I think they would only be interested if the conviction could affect students i.e. sexual or drugs - gbh maybe? After all 22 years in the clear should let you off the hook now and if your c.v. is in with a chance, you can explain your circumstances at the time of the offence.

[jedimistress]

Yes tick the box as it will come back on your form anyway. I pulled a huntsman off his horse in 1996 and that showed on my CRB. I was questioned by the school where I work about it as all they knew was that my CRB had come back positive, but no more info had been given to them by the County Council.

They then had to have a chat and show that they had done so. If your CRB shows an offence, it will not exclude you from a job if it does not relate to that.