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Markle Miscarriage
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It is very sad that she suffered a miscarriage, don’t get me wrong, but why oh why do we have to suffer her every day in the news. I thought they both wanted PRIVACY but they cannot wait to get their faces and woes everywhere can they? I wonder if the long drawn out speech of her miscarriage was written by her by the way?
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I dare not say too much about what I feel about MM because I will be jumped on by those of you who think she is a normal regular person, she isn't. If you don't know how she has been criticised in the past few years then you must have your head buried in the sand. They want privacy except when it suits them/her and now they want everyone to know she has had a miscarriage so...
23:17 Wed 25th Nov 2020
You are mistaken in thinking I dislike Markle. Just as that other poster is mistaken for thinking I keep company with women who make stories up. To know someone is not to keep company with them and to doubt someone is not to dislike them.
When you and others stop making stupid assumptions I might give you the time of day again, but until then ... cheerio.
When you and others stop making stupid assumptions I might give you the time of day again, but until then ... cheerio.
Lady CG - // Am I the only person who thinks this "miscarriage" might not have taken place? //
Possibly not - but if you think about it rationally for a nanosecond - how long do you think it would take for just one, and it only needs one, the vast number of people who interact with this couple on a daily basis to rumble that this is a hoax?
Given the interest in them, I think it would take probably less than one minute for any one of those people, and there are hundreds of them, to be on to the media hoovering up offers to blow the whistle.
It hasn't happened, which means that your rather cold cynicism is based on your unpleasant imagination, rather than anything approaching fact.
Possibly not - but if you think about it rationally for a nanosecond - how long do you think it would take for just one, and it only needs one, the vast number of people who interact with this couple on a daily basis to rumble that this is a hoax?
Given the interest in them, I think it would take probably less than one minute for any one of those people, and there are hundreds of them, to be on to the media hoovering up offers to blow the whistle.
It hasn't happened, which means that your rather cold cynicism is based on your unpleasant imagination, rather than anything approaching fact.
LadyCG - // To know someone is not to keep company with them and to doubt someone is not to dislike them. //
Your attitude becomes stranger. If you don't dislike the duchess, why can't you give her the courtesy of using her name, or her title?
You know what you read in the papers, the same as the rest of us - it appears to be uniquely you on this site to assume the breathtaking cynicism, not to say heartlessness, to feign a miscarriage in order to obtain attention.
The duchess may want for many things in this life - but the unpleasant attention, and disparaging judgement, of unqualified strangers, are not two of them.
Your attitude becomes stranger. If you don't dislike the duchess, why can't you give her the courtesy of using her name, or her title?
You know what you read in the papers, the same as the rest of us - it appears to be uniquely you on this site to assume the breathtaking cynicism, not to say heartlessness, to feign a miscarriage in order to obtain attention.
The duchess may want for many things in this life - but the unpleasant attention, and disparaging judgement, of unqualified strangers, are not two of them.
I don't have an unpleasant imagination, Andy, I am casting doubt on a woman who has ditched her own family, split up her husband's family and stated that she wants to live her life in privacy but can't stop thrusting herself into the spotlight.
And why would all the people around her know if it wasn't true - only she and her Physician would know, surely.
Either way, I'm entitled to my opinion. What you think of me, I care not.
And why would all the people around her know if it wasn't true - only she and her Physician would know, surely.
Either way, I'm entitled to my opinion. What you think of me, I care not.
LadyCG - // I don't have an unpleasant imagination, Andy ... //
We can agree to differ on that one then.
// I am casting doubt on a woman who has ditched her own family, split up her husband's family and stated that she wants to live her life in privacy but can't stop thrusting herself into the spotlight. //
You are 'casting doubt' which is a polite phrase for what you are doing, based entirely on your perception of her, which in turn is entirely created by the medna, and may have little or no truth in fact at all. Either way, you cannot know the circumstances about what has happened to these people - and you are entirely allowed to offer a skewed and uninformed opinion on the lady.
And I and others are entirely allowed to call you out on it.
// And why would all the people around her know if it wasn't true - only she and her Physician would know, surely. //
You think so? Do you think she only mentions the word 'miscarriage' when talking to her physician? not to her husband, her staff, her close friends, anyone overhearing anything that might be said? Really?
// Either way, I'm entitled to my opinion. What you think of me, I care not. //
Of course you are - the fact that is it uninformed, cynical and utterly unpleasant does not deny you the right to hold and express it.
We can agree to differ on that one then.
// I am casting doubt on a woman who has ditched her own family, split up her husband's family and stated that she wants to live her life in privacy but can't stop thrusting herself into the spotlight. //
You are 'casting doubt' which is a polite phrase for what you are doing, based entirely on your perception of her, which in turn is entirely created by the medna, and may have little or no truth in fact at all. Either way, you cannot know the circumstances about what has happened to these people - and you are entirely allowed to offer a skewed and uninformed opinion on the lady.
And I and others are entirely allowed to call you out on it.
// And why would all the people around her know if it wasn't true - only she and her Physician would know, surely. //
You think so? Do you think she only mentions the word 'miscarriage' when talking to her physician? not to her husband, her staff, her close friends, anyone overhearing anything that might be said? Really?
// Either way, I'm entitled to my opinion. What you think of me, I care not. //
Of course you are - the fact that is it uninformed, cynical and utterly unpleasant does not deny you the right to hold and express it.
LadyCG - // //Your attitude becomes stranger. If you don't dislike the duchess, why can't you give her the courtesy of using her name, or her title?//
I've yet to see anyone refer to her on here as Rachel Mountbatten-Windsor.
When you do, I will... //
The lady is usually referred to as 'Meghan', 'Meghan Markle', or 'The Duchess', and any of those courtesy titles would do - not 'Markle' as though you are a public school sixth former shouting down the corridor to a fag.
I've yet to see anyone refer to her on here as Rachel Mountbatten-Windsor.
When you do, I will... //
The lady is usually referred to as 'Meghan', 'Meghan Markle', or 'The Duchess', and any of those courtesy titles would do - not 'Markle' as though you are a public school sixth former shouting down the corridor to a fag.
i just think of the support YOU got on here when you were going thru the same/similar thing. If someone had said you were just making it up for attention, i hate to think of what that might have felt like for you, on top f the anguish you were already feeling. I would like to think the experience might have given you some empathy.
Lady CG - //
//Of course you are - the fact that is it uninformed, cynical and utterly unpleasant does not deny you the right to hold and express it.//
Pot, kettle, noir... //
You're going to have to do better than that!!
// So, when will YOU be doing the decent thing and referring to Henry and Rachel by their proper names as per your earlier observation //
I usually refer to them by the names commonly used in the meda, so I would say 'Harry', or 'The Duke' and 'Meghan' or 'The Duchess' because those are the labels routinely used.
I would not call them 'Windsor' and 'Markle, which would be disrespectful, and certainly not if I was advising people in the same sentence that I do not dislike them - that would be perverse.
//Of course you are - the fact that is it uninformed, cynical and utterly unpleasant does not deny you the right to hold and express it.//
Pot, kettle, noir... //
You're going to have to do better than that!!
// So, when will YOU be doing the decent thing and referring to Henry and Rachel by their proper names as per your earlier observation //
I usually refer to them by the names commonly used in the meda, so I would say 'Harry', or 'The Duke' and 'Meghan' or 'The Duchess' because those are the labels routinely used.
I would not call them 'Windsor' and 'Markle, which would be disrespectful, and certainly not if I was advising people in the same sentence that I do not dislike them - that would be perverse.
On second thought, don't bother replying to that. I know how monotonously protracted these exchanges with you get. I've seen you in action so many times over the years and the words "dog" and "bone" spring to mind.
I must wonder though if a certain moderator is upset with me over an entirely unrelated matter ;-)
I'm off to prep dinner, have a really special evening... X
I must wonder though if a certain moderator is upset with me over an entirely unrelated matter ;-)
I'm off to prep dinner, have a really special evening... X
LadyCG - /
On second thought, don't bother replying to that. I know how monotonously protracted these exchanges with you get. I've seen you in action so many times over the years and the words "dog" and "bone" spring to mind. //
No problem - we have each stated our case, we can leave it to anyone else who wishes to pitch in with their views.
// I must wonder though if a certain moderator is upset with me over an entirely unrelated matter ;-) //
If that is aimed at me, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about - feel free to elaborate or not - your call.
// I'm off to prep dinner, have a really special evening... X //
And you too - enjoy.
On second thought, don't bother replying to that. I know how monotonously protracted these exchanges with you get. I've seen you in action so many times over the years and the words "dog" and "bone" spring to mind. //
No problem - we have each stated our case, we can leave it to anyone else who wishes to pitch in with their views.
// I must wonder though if a certain moderator is upset with me over an entirely unrelated matter ;-) //
If that is aimed at me, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about - feel free to elaborate or not - your call.
// I'm off to prep dinner, have a really special evening... X //
And you too - enjoy.
I got lots of support on here, bednobs, and I also got ample derision.
I have empathy for anyone who goes through what I went through, but that doesn't mean I have to believe what someone's claiming or that I shouldn't question someone's motives for telling the whole world when she's famously bemoaned lack of respect for her privacy.
I really must get on now. I've said my piece and I won't be back to read any responses. Have a good one.
I have empathy for anyone who goes through what I went through, but that doesn't mean I have to believe what someone's claiming or that I shouldn't question someone's motives for telling the whole world when she's famously bemoaned lack of respect for her privacy.
I really must get on now. I've said my piece and I won't be back to read any responses. Have a good one.
LadyCG - // I have empathy for anyone who goes through what I went through, but that doesn't mean I have to believe what someone's claiming or that I shouldn't question someone's motives for telling the whole world when she's famously bemoaned lack of respect for her privacy. //
For anyone else, since Lady CG will not be reading this - odd why you would post a view on a site like this, and then enter into debate with others, but that's her choice ...
Anyway - i beleive that this sort of attitude speaks to a skewed view of what the term 'privacy' actually means.
I believe if you are absolutely anyone at all, you have a basic right to your personal privacy, and that is an inalienable right which applies to the famous and not-famous alike.
That said, privacy only applies to uninvited and unwarrented intrusion into your life by strangers for their own ends, causing you distress.
That does not mean that, while enjoying your proivacy, you are barred from expressing an opinion, or sharing an experience with others, and again that applies to everyone.
Therefore - the duchess is entitled not to have her private life investigated in minute detail by anyone and everyone in the world to point and hoot at, and she is equally entitled to share her distressing experience of miscariage if she believes it may help others in the same position.
Because she wants - and is entitled to - privacy does not mean she is gagged from ever speaking about anything to anyone she chooses - these are fundamentl rights and they don;t cease to apply when you become rich and / or famous.
Of course, the idea that a stranger thousands of miles away wants to believe that you are that desparate for attention that you would pull so cynical and disgsting a stunt as to fabricate a miscarriage is, sadly, the risk that you take by being a public figure and by speaking out - but i am sure the duchess is aware of that, and takes lots of no notice.
For anyone else, since Lady CG will not be reading this - odd why you would post a view on a site like this, and then enter into debate with others, but that's her choice ...
Anyway - i beleive that this sort of attitude speaks to a skewed view of what the term 'privacy' actually means.
I believe if you are absolutely anyone at all, you have a basic right to your personal privacy, and that is an inalienable right which applies to the famous and not-famous alike.
That said, privacy only applies to uninvited and unwarrented intrusion into your life by strangers for their own ends, causing you distress.
That does not mean that, while enjoying your proivacy, you are barred from expressing an opinion, or sharing an experience with others, and again that applies to everyone.
Therefore - the duchess is entitled not to have her private life investigated in minute detail by anyone and everyone in the world to point and hoot at, and she is equally entitled to share her distressing experience of miscariage if she believes it may help others in the same position.
Because she wants - and is entitled to - privacy does not mean she is gagged from ever speaking about anything to anyone she chooses - these are fundamentl rights and they don;t cease to apply when you become rich and / or famous.
Of course, the idea that a stranger thousands of miles away wants to believe that you are that desparate for attention that you would pull so cynical and disgsting a stunt as to fabricate a miscarriage is, sadly, the risk that you take by being a public figure and by speaking out - but i am sure the duchess is aware of that, and takes lots of no notice.
Mozz //LadyCG, no, I very much doubt if you're alone in thinking that, but it doesn't make your suggestion any less disgusting.//
I think you are right when you say that perhaps LadyCG is not alone in thinking this although some people might think it but not say it. I must say that nobody should ever say they've had a miscarriage unless it is true but, it wouldn't be easy to find out if this was true or not because the Royal Family wouldn't tell us, her dad probably wouldn't know, and her friends and staff she may have, would be sworn to secrecy. We know by now that the Sussex's will have you up in court if you dare breathe a word without their consent, and obviously the physician cannot say anything.When she was expecting Archie, remember the rumours that were going around about it not being hers? As they actually wanted privacy for this joyous occasion, we did not see an appearance on the hospital steps which was their choice, we had to wait for a photo shoot with chosen photographers. As far as I'm aware, we never found out where the baby was born and who delivered him, which is usually on the announcement put up for the public to see. So it is possible for them to keep things totally private and we just have to accept that if she says she had a miscarriage, then she did, because I can't see how we would ever know differently.
I think you are right when you say that perhaps LadyCG is not alone in thinking this although some people might think it but not say it. I must say that nobody should ever say they've had a miscarriage unless it is true but, it wouldn't be easy to find out if this was true or not because the Royal Family wouldn't tell us, her dad probably wouldn't know, and her friends and staff she may have, would be sworn to secrecy. We know by now that the Sussex's will have you up in court if you dare breathe a word without their consent, and obviously the physician cannot say anything.When she was expecting Archie, remember the rumours that were going around about it not being hers? As they actually wanted privacy for this joyous occasion, we did not see an appearance on the hospital steps which was their choice, we had to wait for a photo shoot with chosen photographers. As far as I'm aware, we never found out where the baby was born and who delivered him, which is usually on the announcement put up for the public to see. So it is possible for them to keep things totally private and we just have to accept that if she says she had a miscarriage, then she did, because I can't see how we would ever know differently.
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