Corrie Rape Storyline

[barry1010]

This is proving divisive on the 'socials' as Daisy would say, not just between the sexes (genders?) but between the generations, too.

Women of all ages are more likely to agree that Amy was raped; the older generation disagree whatever their gender (sex?).

What's your view? I agree there was sex without consent which amounts to rape - but doesn't there have to be criminal intent? It is true he intended to have sex with Amy but did he intend to rape her? Is that even a legal argument in cases of rape?

[lankeela]

I don't think she has a leg to stand on, although we saw what happened even if it went to court the jury would surely see it as two 'friends' both drunk, she admitted to kissing him and at no point did she ask him to stop or leave. I don't think he saw it as her not consenting just because she had passed out. I believe it would have happened anyway.

[Vagus]

We had a discussion about this Barry, and didn’t come to any proper conclusion.
As far as I’m aware, sex without consent is seen as rape these days, that being the case then he did indeed rape her.
I wouldn’t like to be on a jury to decide..

[MissTerious2]

I agree with Lankeela. I personally wouldn't call it rape, but it's certainly without consent. It just shows how alcohol can cloud the whole situation. They were both under the influence of alcohol. Did he even think about what he was doing. It was one huge unplanned mistake. I think her only real regret was that it was her friends boyfriend. I would never have reported it to police.

[barry1010]

She did say she felt sick just before she passed out.

Not exactly a come on. I wouldn't want to be on the jury either

[ToraToraTora]

Haven't watch Corrie since Annie Walker was running the pub but what happened? Consent or not? Did she change her mind later? During?

[MissTerious2]

Nor me!

[nero2024]

i think she would not have been bothered about him having sex with her (asleep or not) after all she does / did like him, its the problem she has that he's going out with her best friend and please dont tell me she get pregnant through it,,, i can see this in emmerdale with the babysitter and rosie. yawn...
as for him being charged with rape its 50/50 with me

[MargoTester]

She said she got the morning after pill. One thing I've always disagreed with is the male being named before a trial because even if he is found not guilty that stigma will remain with him.
In this case it's difficult to tell if it was rape or not

[chelle7272]

Under the law you can not give consent if you ate incapacitated by drink or unconcious. So it's rape in the eyes of the law unless he could prove reasonable belief.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offences-chapter-6-consent

[MissTerious2]

She took a morning after pill.
And yes I feel they are both to blame. So I would never havetaken it to the police.

What amuses me is that the Corrie police always arrest everbody in full view of the whole street, in the work place, or the pub. It's so pathetic!

[ClareTG0ld]

What do you mean by "intend to rape"?

The three points required for rape are penetrative sex (with a penis specifically); refusal of consent; and absence of reasonable belief that consent was given.

As I understand it -- don't watch Corrie:

1. the first test is met, as Aaron seems to concede;
2. The second is met by Amy having rolled away feeling sick, which amounts to changing her mind about what they were doing and preferring to take rest; separately, that Amy was too dunk to be able to give consent is relevant;
3. The third is met because any reasonable person faced with that situation would allow the other party to take rest, and wait until both were feeling "up to it" before initiating penetrative sex.

So, yes, it's rape. It might perhaps be difficult to establish this in court, particularly if one part of the prosecuting case would rely on Amy's inability to give consent, but how drunk she was may no longer be possible to confirm.

It's not about intent to rape, nor about any additional violent behaviour/assault surrounding the act. If Amy didn't consent, and if Aaron cannot reasonably have believed that consent was given, those are the two questions to answer.

[MissTerious2]

Corrie writers have no idea of what goes on in real life. I have to laugh at the storylines involving solitors or about conflict of interests. Do the writers do any research?

[New Judge]

//As far as I’m aware, sex without consent is seen as rape these days,...//

Only these days?

[MargoTester]

MissT I thought you said you didn't watch it (10.46)

[barry1010]

Yes, NJ. It's not so long ago that wives could not be raped by their husbands.
You will be well aware that attitudes to rape have changed enormously over the past 20 years and the law reflects that inasmuch as the police and CPS are more likely to investigate and prosecute rape where there is no physical evidence of force than they were.

[barry1010]

ClareT, Aaron was also very drunk.
I will use another example to illustrate my meaning.
A man loses his temper and punches a woman, once. He intended to do it.
She falls as a consequence and bangs her head. The bang on the head causes her to die.
He will not be guilty of murder unless he intended to kill her. He didn't.

Did Aaron intend to rape Amy? Was he aware he was raping her?

[MissTerious2]

Margo. I was replying to Barry about being on the jury, 2 questions above and someone slipped in between. I did watch it :0)

[ClareTG0ld]

If a person is too drunk to be able to establish consent, then that would also fail the test of "reasonable belief" of consent. It's different from murder because there intent is important, but here the law specifically doesn't say that someone has to "intend" to rape in order for B to have been raped. All that matters is that (a) sex took place; (b) the complainant didn't consent; and (c) the accused didn't reasonably believe that consent was given.

[MissTerious2]

Times have changed. But thinking about what I might have done in that situation at 18, I would have considered myself as much to blame and never involved the law.

[elliemay1]

I see the police have dropped the case, I wonder how this storyline will end