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Driving without lights?
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.So Loosehead a car crushed by a tank with a valid MOT is road legal. I think not.
Also show the policeman who pulls you over for a faulty taillight your MOT and see if he lets you off. I think not.
Just because an MOT has been issued doesn't mean a car is road legal for 12 months as you yourself argued.
And in the original question reference was made to 'working' (or not) lights not to missing (i.e. not fitted) lights.
No Kempie you seem unable to divorce the 2 issues, read what I said, I didn't say the car is necessarily road legal, what I said was anything that happens after the MOT does not invalidate the MOT. You are then in the hands of what is actually legal or not. Of course a crushed car is not road legal.
If the police pull you over with a tail light out at night that does not mean they are going to prosecute you for no MOT. They will care that you have a valid MOT and then act on descretion. Do you seriously think they are going to go back to the garage and say the car should not have passed because the bulb in question didn't last a year!
I didn't say anywhere that a car is road legal for 12 months just because it has an MOT, I just said that the MOT is valid for a year regardless of subsequent deterioration. Again read what I said.
I said that headlights and tail lights do not need to work in the day that is true. I said also that technically they do not need even to be fitted but if they are they must work for the MOT. Read it again.
Please try and see this point, you have to try and think beyond the MOT, it's another subject altogether.
Surely there's a traffic cop on here who put Kempie out of his misery.
Loosehead you have misunderstood my points. Please re-read my earlier posts.
The MOT is the standard for roadworthiness.
I used the MOT analogy to show that any vehicle that would fail an on-the-spot MOT test is inherently (and legally) not fit to drive on UK roads.
I know that an MOT certificate is not really worth anything other than to prove that a car was road legal at the time of the test.
I never mentioned anything about being prosecuted for having an invalid MOT. I don't know where you got that from. I was using the example to prove you couldn't use the certificate to excuse a defective taillight (see point above).
And as I said (and you have said) if a car is fitted with equipment such as lights they must work, no matter what time of day it is. So since lights are fitted to the car in question (and it is not a case of one law in the MOT Testing Station and another on the road) you must concur that it would be illegal to drive in such a condition.
Please Mr Traffic Cop put me out of my misery.
'I said they must work to pass the MOT'
A car that would not pass an MOT cannot legally be driven on the road.
'... after that your in a different realm'
The Road Traffic Act applies outside of the testing station as well as inside. Which other realm were you thinking of?
Just because you aren't using the lights doesn't mean that they need not work. It is a legal requirement (if fitted). Of course a casual observer may not be able to tell if they work without the aid of an inspection.
Are we there yet?