Driving With No Licence ... So No Tax And Insurance Etc And Presumably No Mot

[joko]

what would happen if randomly stopped by a policeman?

and what if this person had an accident, what would happen?

how would they pay costs etc? could they lose their house etc?

could they go to prison etc?

what would happen?

thansks

[society]

This is what I think - They would get a ticket and most likely have to make a court appearance. I think the judge would take into consideration the persons' age before administering suitable punishment. If they own the vehicle it could be impounded. It's hardly ever likely a teenager might be a home or land owner.

Of course I might be totally wrong in my thinking here.

[tenrec]

It might not be a teenager.

[Baldric]

Do you seriously think there are any 'random stops' by Police anymore?
what with NPRCs and the like they'd most likely have the charge sheet written up before the stop!

[society]

That's just if it was a teenager. It could be anybody, any age etc.

[VHG]

>>>So No Tax And Insurance Etc And Presumably No Mot

Why do you assume if the person has no license they also have no tax insurance or MOT?

A car can still have tax and mot even if the driver has no license.

I guess if they have no license they have no insurance (or it is invalied),

Why on earth would you think a person woud lose their house.

You seem to be getting a bit paranoid.

[bednobs]

if they had no insurance, and caused an accident (as joko asked) then yes, a possible scenario is that if someone was injured they could sue them. If the award was too high for the person to pay, they could of course lose their house

[magsmay]

They could not lose their house - the value of your home is not included in any calculations of ability to pay following a court case.

[Nibble]

Extract from

http://thesheriffsoffice.com/articles/making_a_valid_seizure_of_goods

Seize the right goods

There are a number of goods that are exempt from seizure, notably goods required for basic living, for example bedding, basic cooking utensils, items clearly belonging to children.

Also from

http://thesheriffsoffice.com/articles/when_a_debtor_hides_or_sells_seized_goods


Contempt of court

Where a person disobeys a judgment or order to abstain from dong something, for example hiding or disposing of goods seized under a writ of fi fa, then they may be charged with contempt of court. If found guilty, they are liable for a fine and/or a prison sentence of up to two years.

The High Court has the power to punish offenders under RSC Order 52. The hearing is held in front of a High Court Judge. In addition to a fine or prison sentence as punishment, the Judge may also issue a writ of sequestration.

[DJHawkes]

this link to our local court will give you a good idea of what happens
http://www.qcourt.co.uk/uk/court_reports_chorley_2

[DJHawkes]

an example:
********
Chorley

Age: 43

Used a motor vehicle on a road, or other public place when there was not in force in
relation to that use such a policy of insurance or such a security in respect of third party risks

Drove a motor vehicle on a road otherwise than in accordance with a licence authorising you to drive a motor vehicle of that class

Fined £600.00.

To pay victim surcharge of £15.00.
To pay costs of £85.00 to the Crown Prosecution Service.
Disqualified for holding or obtaining a driving licence for 6 month(s).

[DJHawkes]

another one:
****** CROWTHER
Chorley

Age: 44

Used a motor vehicle on a road, or other public place when there was not in force in relation to that use such a policy of insurance or such a security in respect of third party risks

Drove a motor vehicle on a road otherwise than in accordance with a licence authorising you to drive a motor vehicle of that class

Used on a road a motor vehicle when the means of operation of its braking system, namely the hand brake , was not maintained in good and efficient working order and properly adjusted

Fined £165.00.

To pay victim surcharge of £15.00
To pay costs of £85.00 to the Crown Prosecution Service.
Licence or counterpart endorsed with 6 points.

[DJHawkes]

mmmmm odd, the first offender was of a similar age with less offences yet recieved a bigger fine and a disqualification. Maybe he had built up his points. Hope it wasn;t because his surname was Khan.

[sunny-dave]

Can't we just nail the snag's nuts to the floor "pour encourager les autres" ...

[Nibble]

Don't forget the Human Rights lawyers fighting that one, dave, but it'd get my vote every time :)

[sunny-dave]

Apologies for what was a flippant answer to what is (in my view) a vastly under-sentenced problem.

Most drivers (including I would guess the majority of us on here) pay many hundreds of pounds a year in tax/insurance and keeping a car roadworthy enough to pass the MoT test.

The penalties handed out to the irresponsible/uncaring/stupid idiots who decide not to obey the rules are pathetically low - less in many cases than the cost of actually abiding by the law. I'm not by nature a member of the 'flog the bastards' party - but it seems that little else is likely to have the desired effect ...

[DJHawkes]

I agree Dave, they're banning them from holding a license, that's not a driving ban in the offenders eyes at all. they'll be back

[Graham-W]

In 1964 I was "done" for under-age on a motorcycle, no tax, no insurance, no MOT,and ineffective silencers.
On attending the court, with great trepidation, everything was dropped except the no insurance. I was fined £20 and, when I applied for my first licence, it arrived with three penalty points on it.
Things may have changed a little since then.

[Graham-W]

May I add, it was on quite country lanes with no traffic.

[DJHawkes]

£20 in 1964 was 2 weeks wages, they're fining these people £165.00, that's 2 weeks dole i think.

[lankeela]

How do I join the 'flog the bastards' party?