Beginning Of The End For Diesel Cars?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30381223
It all seems to have gone wrong, how long before the manufacturers un- embrace diesel?

[Old_Geezer]

I reckon some will not be satisfied until the general public have no private motorised transport left. Anyway, flavour of the month at one time, villain the next. Maybe they’ll be back in favour after a bit. Meanwhile it’s a good excuse to victimise diesel car owners I guess.

[sunny-dave]

Never had a diesel, always thought they were dirty, pollution causing, anachronisms.

At last the world has caught up with me.

[Playbill]

Will they also be banning diesel lorries, vans, buses and taxis?

[sunny-dave]

Buses could/should be mainly electric or hybrid.

Taxis and small vans can be petrol (lean burn engines can approach diesel mpg if used sensibly) or, preferably, plug-in hybrids.

HGVs should be taxed punitively so that only absolutely essential (and fully loaded) journeys are made - along specified roads to out-of-town distibution centres. The goods can then be distributed by electric/hybrid vans without poisoning our children.

[EDDIE51]

The most recent diesels meet the 'low emission' rules and will not be affected.
With a particulate filter now compulsory and 'lean burn' technology they pollute no more than petrol and do more mpg .

[sunny-dave]

When they are brand new that is true, Eddie - in theory at least.

The trouble is that cars last a long time these days and owners in the later years of a car's life don't give a stuff about the crap that is pumped out.

I've seen two year old Mondeos pumping out filth that you can hardly see through - let alone what happens at 8/9/10 years old.

[whiskeryron]

I still maintain that the cleanest cars on the planet are pedal cars, I had one 80 odd years ago.

[Graham-W]

sunny-dave. My 11 year old Skoda 1.9tdi is approaching 170k miles. It burns next to no oil between services and passes the MOT emissions test with flying colours. How much more pollution would I be responsible for if I bought a new car every 3 years instead of keeping one car for 10 or 12 years?

[Graham-W]

Oh. And it returns mid 50s MPG with no bother at all.

[sunny-dave]

I have never said anything about scrapping cars at an early stage - I was happily running a nine year old (petrol) Saab with 100,000 miles on the clock, until a couple of months ago.

The problem is that you may be a paragon of virtue Graham - looking after your car and servicing it regularly ... but ...

... most people who drive old diesels aren't and the only way to clean up their act is to get rid of the oil burners altogether.

[paddywak]

I'm changing my car in March and after twelve years I'm going back to a petrol engine,not because of the environmental issues,I just don't do enough mileage.

[sigma]

What's the logic behind that Paddy

[TWR]

Sunny, what's the Weather like on your Planet? with a comment like that regards HGVs you have not got much Idea how transport run's do you?

[sunny-dave]

It's you who is the dinosaur, TWR.

We simply cannot carry on allowing the vile curse of the barely regulated HGV wreck our roads and kill other motorists on an almost daily basis - let alone the destructive particulate filth that they are filling our atmosphere with.

We must do it differently, we must do it better and we must do it without 44 ton monsters destroying our country.

[douglas9401]

It would be easy to conclude that diesel engines cause outbursts of nonsense in the online community.

[rodders123]

Horse and cart sunny-dave?

[TWR]

The So Called monsters you refer to keep this Country Going, can you not understand that? the HGV are equipped with Spoilers for Peak Performance so are the Trailers, do you not know that the Haulage companies look for the most Efficient route for the Truck to use, do you know that HGVs are fitted with the most up-to-date Rev to Gear to Fuel Efficiency devices so the Truck has less gear changing, fuel burning, emissions to perform? when you get a minute in your Condemning the HGV, If you can manage, get out of your car & check what cost the Gov incurs to each haulier, whilst you are condemning the so-called Derv HGV / Van / Bus / Car, think about the duties that particular Vehicle has to the Economy of every country, whilst you are condemning the HGV, think about the food that you are having, what do you think that brought that to your Supermarkets Donkey's, It appears you have a dislike of Diesel Engines, Give yourself a minute (If) you are going out for your Xmas Lunch etc, what do you think brought that, the Clothes you wear, your transport you use to get there, the truck that takes the Rubbish away after the diners finish, live on planet earth Dave, I & others do. Merry Xmas.

[lady-janine]

we could move our freightage by train if we still had the railways.

[TWR]

What form of transport takes the loads to the Train / off the Train Lady? It does not matter which way you look at the Issue, it will take a HGV to move it, also the extra costs, that would in-turn be forwarded to the Customer.

[1ozzy]

Have you ever stopped to think that old petrol cars pump out lots more pollutant than modern cars Sunny-Dave?
You seem to have a bias against diesel without taking lots of other factors into consideration.