speeding points

[Poochybloo]

I have a total of 9 points on my licence. I have recently acquired another 3 (33 mph not 30mph). one lot of three points dates back to 2002 - will these count when the latest offence is taken into account?

[JudgeJ]

Points remain on your licence for four years but are "active" for the purposes of totting-up for three years. If you commit offences which cause you to accumulate 12 points within three years you face an automatic ban for a minimum of six months.

Note that it is the date of the offences, not the date of conviction, which counts for these purposes, so you will have to look at these dates to see if you will be banned.

[ianess]

You may be very lucky this time and avoid disqualification but why not slow down a bit? Is your time really so important that you can afford to gamble with your licence? Regardless of any other consequences.

[sir.prize]

Judge J is perfectly correct. But also, points on a licence are taken into account for five years by insurance companies.

I am surprised you have been prosecuted for 33mph in a 30 zone. The Speed Camera Charter states that you are not prosecuted unless you are doing 10% above the speed limit, + 2. This would mean that you are ok up to 35 mph.

Likewise in a 40 zone you could drive at 44 + 2 = 46, and probably be ok.

[Toureman]

The tyrant Chief Constable of North Wales insisted that a retired docter who was over 70 years old and had never had any driving offences in 50 years of driving was given 3 points and �60 fine for doing 31 mph in a 30 limit!

[erimus1]

This form of ban is done under the 'totting up' procedure. I believe that JudgeJ is incorrect on a couple of points - some offences are noted form the date of offence, whereas others are form the date of conviction.

As far as and automatic disqualification is concerned, this is also incorrect - I know of quite a few individuals who have had more than 12 points on their license and kept them legally by way of mitigation.

As a rule of thumb, a court will not hear mitigation that affectsa your wellbeing, but if losing your license directly affects the lives of others, then it has the discretion to let you keep it.

eg. if you would lose your job and your family were likely to suffer a hardship as a result.

It's not a case of playing the system, but knowing what your rights actually are - you have more than you think.
Good luck,
Steve

[erimus1]

Just a couple more points - I am luck enough to live in North Wales, and have actually met Brumston (who I believe is not happy unless he is upsetting someone with his views on speeding and drug offences!)

In a talk at Police HQ in Colwyn Bay, one of the civy workers that works on the switchboard stated to him that she "...had just had a fixed penalty notice for doing 31 in a 30...", to which he replied that there was no tollerance.

As far as a a 10% margin is concerned - how do we know that our speedometers are correctly callibrated? - I have three vehicles, and they all show different speed as a relative to my GPS system
Regards,
Steve

[WoWo]

The 10% is given because of the possibility that your speedo might be slightly out of sync. However that doesn't mean you should drive at 33 because it might actually be out by 10% and you are then driving at 36 mph.

[erimus1]

Did I not state that in the Cllibartion point Wo Wo?