New Laws

[Victor M]

When did it become law that dual carriageways without central crash barriers are limited to 60mph.
Victor M

[sddsddean]

It hasn't. National speed limit fo cars and motor bikes on a dual c'way is 70mph. This is true unless a lower limit is posted. Having said that, if there is no barrier, there may well be a lower limit posted.

[Panic Button]

If the 'central reservation' has no kerb or physical feature except paint, then it is a single carriageway.

[Loosehead]

Yes as panic button points out. there is no such thing as a dual carraigeway without a central barrier. The number of lanes is not relevant to whether something is a single or dual carraigeway a dual carraigway has a some sort of barrier separating the 2 directions, a single carraigeway does not. So there may be 2 lanes each way but if they are not seperated by a barrier then it's a single carraigeway and as such has a maximum limit of 60mph.

[sddsddean]

I think what Victor means is a central reserve, but no crash barriers.

[Victor M]

My friend gave me to understand that he was traveling along a new motorway following another car at 70 when he was flashed by a speed camera. I wouldn't describe it as a motorway if it had no crash barriers. The disgraceful point of this story is that there are miles and miles of roads where it is not clear what the speed limit is. The least the authorities could do is make sure that you always pass a speed reminder before you pass a camera. They should help people to avoid genuine mistakes but it seems that they are happy being nasty, self righteous individuals and are not likely to change.

[jno]

then the camera was probably flashing at the car?

[Panic Button]

Oh dear you are confused aren't you. The speed limit for a car is the same on a motorway as for a dual carriageway.

There are miles of roads without speed signs as you are required to know the national speed limits for your type of vehicle.

A dual carriageway is defined as having a central reservation. Ther is no mention in the Highway Code of a need for a crash barrier.

I suspect this was a rogue flash, and your friend will not hear anything.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport /Highwaycode/DG_070308

[Panic Button]

Perhaps you could tell us where this 'new' motorway is?

[Victor M]

dear panic button, If you know it's the national speed limit on that stretch of road you have no problem though it's amazing how many people don't know that the NSL on a single carriageway has always been 60.

[Panic Button]

Agreed.

That should be reduced.

Crazy that it is 70 on a road where all the vehicles are all going in the same direction, unless one jumps the barriers, and only 10 mph less where traffic is going the opposite direction with nothing to ressist head on impacts.