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Sorry folks for the delay in acknowleging your answers and thanking you, I've had no laptop for a few days. My son needs a serious lesson in observational skills, if there are notices in any of the locations (and he is going back to see) then he didnt see them so didnt buy tickets. Usually his car is littered with the things, anyway we're not disputing the penalties just enquiring about the lost discount. Spoke to someone at the office this week, they said given they were issued late at night there is a risk of pranksters removing the penalty notices although hes been unlucky with all three, yes he is adament he didnt have any, he wouldnt risk the higher fines. They suggested we try writing in so going to try, whatever happens hes well learnt his lesson about taking more notice. Thanks again