jassy - unfortunate you felt that you had to reduce it to a slanging match, but for your information, I never said I didn't like or rate the Libertines, I do in fact like them a lot. I was also hoping you could justify your 'musician' statement by talking about the chord sequence in 'Time For Heroes' for example, rather than calling me names. Most importantly though I feel I am in a position to talk about this situation more than most but not wanting to betray family confidences it's not something I am prepared to discuss here.