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£176 To Get Out
According to this website it would cost me £176 a year if UK leaves the EU.
Apart from wondering what the provenance for such a figure is, I'm now inclined to think it's worth it anyway, given the non-trading impositions we suffer as a result of our membership (and which have turned me from a pro- to seriously consider becoming an anti-).
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Apart from wondering what the provenance for such a figure is, I'm now inclined to think it's worth it anyway, given the non-trading impositions we suffer as a result of our membership (and which have turned me from a pro- to seriously consider becoming an anti-).
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I think the same sort of "scaremongering" tactics would be used in the EU campaign as were used in the Scotland leaving the UK campaign.
These scare tatics will cause many people to vote to stay in, even if they don't know why, they will just be scared to leave.
I have said for a long time, I am not desperate to leave, but I think there should be changes in the way the EU works.
Allowing total free movement between countries is madness. In theory EVERY person in Poland (for example) could come and live here and we could not stop them.
Lets at least have a quota for EVERY country in the EU so that depending on size and population and economy you can limit how many from each EU country can go to another EU country per year.
We have seen already this week that both Sweden and Denmark have reintroduced border controls (not totally down to the EU, partly due to the refugee / asylum situation)
However the "open borders" in Europe does mean that once a person get IN to Europe from outside (in to any country) they can then move to almost anywhere else in Europe.
They will obviously head for the places with the best benefits, so the poorer countries like Spain etc get ignored and they rush to Germany, UK, Sweden etc.
This lumbers us with people we don't want and did not ask for.
I am also fed up with paying child benefit to children who LIVE in Poland (and other countries) who have never even been to the UK (and at UK child benefit rates as well).
IF we are going to pay child benefits to foreign children it ought to be at THEIR rate not ours. The UK child benefit must seem like a lot of money to a person in say Romania, just encouraging people to come here to work and leave their children at home.
The whole EU is one huge MESS that has been growing for decades and hopefully will soon implode.
These scare tatics will cause many people to vote to stay in, even if they don't know why, they will just be scared to leave.
I have said for a long time, I am not desperate to leave, but I think there should be changes in the way the EU works.
Allowing total free movement between countries is madness. In theory EVERY person in Poland (for example) could come and live here and we could not stop them.
Lets at least have a quota for EVERY country in the EU so that depending on size and population and economy you can limit how many from each EU country can go to another EU country per year.
We have seen already this week that both Sweden and Denmark have reintroduced border controls (not totally down to the EU, partly due to the refugee / asylum situation)
However the "open borders" in Europe does mean that once a person get IN to Europe from outside (in to any country) they can then move to almost anywhere else in Europe.
They will obviously head for the places with the best benefits, so the poorer countries like Spain etc get ignored and they rush to Germany, UK, Sweden etc.
This lumbers us with people we don't want and did not ask for.
I am also fed up with paying child benefit to children who LIVE in Poland (and other countries) who have never even been to the UK (and at UK child benefit rates as well).
IF we are going to pay child benefits to foreign children it ought to be at THEIR rate not ours. The UK child benefit must seem like a lot of money to a person in say Romania, just encouraging people to come here to work and leave their children at home.
The whole EU is one huge MESS that has been growing for decades and hopefully will soon implode.
Disagree Ron, let's have an informed debate....
I'm for staying in - especially if DC returns with some major wins.....
The one economic case I have never seen and would love to do so is if we were to become the eastern flank of NAFTA and the intersection to the EU..... I once asked George Young this when he stood on my doorstep as my MP and he couldn't answer it, though admitted it would be interesting to see an analysis.
I'm for staying in - especially if DC returns with some major wins.....
The one economic case I have never seen and would love to do so is if we were to become the eastern flank of NAFTA and the intersection to the EU..... I once asked George Young this when he stood on my doorstep as my MP and he couldn't answer it, though admitted it would be interesting to see an analysis.
“especially if DC returns with some major wins.....”
Have you seen what he’s asked for, DT?. Let me remind you:
• Protection of the single market for Britain and other non-euro countries
• Boosting competitiveness by setting a target for the reduction of the "burden" of red tape
• Exempting Britain from "ever-closer union" and bolstering national parliaments
• Restricting EU migrants' access to in-work benefits such as tax credits
He has set himself spectacularly low targets and he will be disappointed even with those. Even if he gets all of them (which is about as likely as me winning the Grand National) they cannot, in one’s wildest imagination, be described as “major wins”.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing that Mr Cameron could tell me he has “won” from the EU which would persuade me to vote to remain. There are no benefits to the UK’s EU membership for people in the UK which could not be achieved from outside. Conversely there is a list as long as your arm of positive disadvantages which will never be addressed no matter how hard Mr Cameron campaigns. To describe them as "reforms" is disingenuous. The EU doesn't do reform.
There will be all sorts of figures bandied about which (depending on who quotes them) will extol the financial advantages or burdens of the EU. People should ignore all of them as nobody actually knows the answer. Instead people should ask themselves the important questions:
• Do they want the UK to remain an independent nation with its own sovereignty?
• Do they want the UK government to determine who arrives and is allowed to settle here?
• Do they want the UK Parliament to be the sole source of legislation to which they are subject?
•Do they want the UK to have the freedom to negotiate trade deals with whomsoever it wishes?
• Do they want the UK Parliament to continue to be forum where UK foreign policy and defence policy is determined?
(There are lots more but these will do to be going on with).
If they answer “yes” to any of these then they should vote to leave. The status quo with our relationship with the EU will not do and nor, for that matter will the EU itself. The £176 (or £3,000, or £10,000 or whatever is quoted) is immaterial. Only a Brexit will do.
Have you seen what he’s asked for, DT?. Let me remind you:
• Protection of the single market for Britain and other non-euro countries
• Boosting competitiveness by setting a target for the reduction of the "burden" of red tape
• Exempting Britain from "ever-closer union" and bolstering national parliaments
• Restricting EU migrants' access to in-work benefits such as tax credits
He has set himself spectacularly low targets and he will be disappointed even with those. Even if he gets all of them (which is about as likely as me winning the Grand National) they cannot, in one’s wildest imagination, be described as “major wins”.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing that Mr Cameron could tell me he has “won” from the EU which would persuade me to vote to remain. There are no benefits to the UK’s EU membership for people in the UK which could not be achieved from outside. Conversely there is a list as long as your arm of positive disadvantages which will never be addressed no matter how hard Mr Cameron campaigns. To describe them as "reforms" is disingenuous. The EU doesn't do reform.
There will be all sorts of figures bandied about which (depending on who quotes them) will extol the financial advantages or burdens of the EU. People should ignore all of them as nobody actually knows the answer. Instead people should ask themselves the important questions:
• Do they want the UK to remain an independent nation with its own sovereignty?
• Do they want the UK government to determine who arrives and is allowed to settle here?
• Do they want the UK Parliament to be the sole source of legislation to which they are subject?
•Do they want the UK to have the freedom to negotiate trade deals with whomsoever it wishes?
• Do they want the UK Parliament to continue to be forum where UK foreign policy and defence policy is determined?
(There are lots more but these will do to be going on with).
If they answer “yes” to any of these then they should vote to leave. The status quo with our relationship with the EU will not do and nor, for that matter will the EU itself. The £176 (or £3,000, or £10,000 or whatever is quoted) is immaterial. Only a Brexit will do.
Under current practices,the larger the institution the larger the democratic deficit, and the less likely radical reform and more hands in the till.
It could decrease consumer power - which will be played up to the max as per the Scottish Referendum - which will influence the morally bereft e.g.
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It could decrease consumer power - which will be played up to the max as per the Scottish Referendum - which will influence the morally bereft e.g.
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