Why Does It Need A New Law To Overturn Wrongful Convictions

[Canary42]

Of course it doesn't, it's just a cynical ploy by Sunak to cash in on public outrage as a vote-catcher.  Gully knows, he needs something.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67926661

[MargoTester]

Read your link at 14.48 it explains it all

[Peter Pedant]

because there are so many - it costs so  much - ( to  the punter)

it can't be a cyincal ploy - they are saying nothing will paid out ( against ) except on application ( only 500p) before Xmas 24

now - at risk of the usual mods yapping, to run over the options

declare they are all innocent - usurps the function of the courts. Judges NOT keen - the wheels of justice grind slow and even slower on appeal. Public not at all keen on slowness

give them pardons - as the papers say - the convictions remain. or as I say, they have to admit they have done it. and like the IRA non-bombers they ( some) wont

acce;erate the hearing / re examination of each case. Cd be done with a separate tribunal. Likely still to be very slow. Judges can say ( Ld Peter Taylor IRA) "it  is nothing to do with us if (X) chooses to lie to us" - v pop with er the judges and not so pop with punters and public.

this has been on AB in the last week

and is now in todays Times - do they read AB I ask myself

 

[Peter Pedant]

I have noticed that there is a very strong er bias of

"some of them clearly DID do  something" - - and so it is far far better to prevent innocent people being declared innocent and getting moolah than to allow one or two scum to clean up" - even if those dont  exist....

an so we can estimate boys and girls

7 cases before hand a year before Horison, 10y years H - so that is 70 - out of a few thousand

peanuts innit? Great British Justice must not be unsullied by pardoning the wrong fella ( irony intended)

[ToraToraTora]

They've only done a few dozen at the usual glacial speed the judiciary moves. The new law will turn them all over at once rather than wait for ever and most of the victims will die before they get paid out. Sad that you are using the misery of people to score political points canary.

[ToraToraTora]

All the governments from Blair to Sunak have been complicent in this up to now. It's good to see this one getting its finger out and doing something to help the victims.

[ToraToraTora]

...worked it out yet canary?

[New Judge]

"Why Does It Need A New Law To Overturn Wrongful Convictions"

"Of course it doesn't,..."

No it doesn't - if you're prepared to deal with each of them individually via the Court of Appeal. There were 983 sub-postmasters convicted of either theft or false accounting. So far just 95 have had their convictions overturned.

So how do you propose, without fresh legislation, the remaining 888 cases are dealt with before most of the victims of this gigantic injustice die?

[ToraToraTora]

I think canary knows that he just wants to bash the PM.

[Deskdiary]

Classic Canary.

 

Posts something wrong (natch) gets demolished, and disappears.

[newmodarmy]

Maybe Canary42 will come back to 'correct' our misunderstanding

[Deskdiary]

"Gully knows..."

 

Awesome - that's the best part of Canary's post. Give yourself BA Canary; as unintentional as it was, that's brilliantly funny.

[Deskdiary]

TTT at 6.14 - sadly, I suspect you're wrong. 

[Hopkirk]

If I were them I wouldn't be happy with a pardon.

That smacks of 'you are forgiven for your wrong ' instead of 'you did no wrong'.

[THECORBYLOON]

The Prime Minister spoke about them being "exonerated" rather than "pardoned".

 

If that is the case, they will have committed no offence.

[Hopkirk]

Yes TCL, I'm glad he has. There was talk before of a royal pardon but that wouldn't have been good enough.

There is a risk that a small number of truly guilty will be let off and compensated. So be it.

[ToraToraTora]

20:21 They can sort them all out now then set up a proper investigation to look for real tea leaves if there are any then nick them at their leasure later.

What worries me now though is that from now on every postmaster even slightly iffy will now be having it away big time and will get away with it because they know they can blame the software etc.

[Peter Pedant]

Some miscarriages are corrected very quickly - I thought Steven Kiszko was that week end ( lesley moleseed, stain had wiggle things, Steven had none) but it was around 6 weeks

but this is 20y - and multiple people whose business it was, said it wasnt any of their business

and I agree with Canary ( you are getting alot of unnecessary and undeserved abuse little birdie)

appeals should be quicker

54 appeals have been turned down and there isnt even the idea of "Oh the subs did it", but much more " the appeal court doesnt get it".

 

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, If they can catch any genuinely guilty postmasters or postmistresses  from the current  batch at their leisure, how will future fraudulent ones get away with it by blaming the software?

 

[Peter Pedant]

What worries me is that from now on every postmaster even slightly iffy will now be having it away big time and will get away with it because they know they can blame the software.

so 770 can stew when we know they are NOT in that set. righto!

ho hum must be AB on a wednesday.

In fact there is already case law on this - following the spectacular west mids corruption cases

a lawyer tried " o god m'lud he is a damned liar" and the judge ruled that the detective had to be involved, in the case and his evidence 'touch' the matter in question. ( and I think was wrong) - ie no tainting by association

[Peter Pedant]

CBL - it looks as tho they will give a blanket re-acquittal and then if the party wants money, he can apply and THEN it will be further scutinised.

It all means more money for the lawyers

Our masters - Great and Good all of them - are aware that the dearth of applications for "money  now please" is because the wronged parties have had enbought of British Justice....( and of course the Great and Good wonder how that will play in a general  election)