Did You Vote For Corbyn?

[naomi24]

So many flying the flag for Starmer and yet he is the man who worked hard to put the disaster that was Corbyn in the driving seat.  Are you sure you know what you're voting for?

[ichkeria]

When there were Tory supporters happly admitting they joined Labour just to vote for Corbyn (a tactic which the 2017 election must have had some changing their trousers) it hardly seems fair to attack people like Starmer.

[Untitled]

i think naomi is quite right. keir starmer did a great deal more than just "hang in there", he described corbyn several times as being a friend and then described him as the opposite a couple of years later. when he was elected leader of the party he made a number of specific pledges about what party policy would be and to the best of my knowledge he has scrapped all of them and in some cases actually promised to do the opposite.

i did not agree with all of his pledges (though i did with some) but he also promised to be a "unifier". he has since done everything he can to drive the left out of the party and isolate the few that remain. not much of a "unifier" then. he's as much of a liar and flip-flopper as theresa may was in 2017.

as i say there are many people in labour whom i greatly admire and who i hope will do good work if they enter government. but i think this man's behaviour since he became leader is nothing short of disgraceful.

[ichkeria]

Whatever he may have done then, he has done the right thing since. He would not have been my choice as leader, but he has helped drive the Corbynites well away from anywhere they can do any damage. I certainly would not have voted Labour in those years, and neither, it's pretty plain, would the people whose votes matter in a GE, like it or not. A classic example of this in the 2017 election, where the Tory vote actually went up despite them losing their majority. While the labour vote also went up but in places where it hardly mattered.

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

Corbyn is standing against Labour at the general election.  This is too funny.

[Khandro]

I can't, nor ever could, imagine anyone voting for Corbyn, not even his mother.

[ToraToraTora]

I think Agent Cob will win in Islington, he always was popular there.

[Untitled]

"Whatever he may have done then, he has done the right thing since. "

what he has "done since" is reverse every position that got him elected leader in the first place. how can that be defensible in a democratic system? the fact that you agree with him is irrelevant.

[Khandro]

Summed up well in today's Telegraph;

https://archive.ph/aC0Ox

[ichkeria]

"what he has "done since" is reverse every position that got him elected leader in the first place. how can that be defensible in a democratic system? the fact that you agree with him is irrelevant."

To paraphrase the words of the Brexiteers, no less: the hard left lost: get over it :-).

 

[Untitled]

that isn't an answer though is it ichkeria. how can you be sure that keir starmer is on your side when he is so unreliable? 

my apparently controversial opinion is that people should have at least some sense of what politicians will actually do if they are elected in order for democracy to work. if we're going to abandon that then what are we doing here exactly?

[ichkeria]

I sais that because you  were coming across as rather bitter. Labour will have a manifesto and there's no reason to believe they won't stick to it. The argument, also used by the Tories, that Starmer betrayed the hard left ergo you can't trust him is weaker than water 

[Gromit]

I reckon Corbyn has a good chance of winning the seat. Meaning Labour would have one less to win the election or get a majority.

In what could be a very close election race, are you really supporting the Labour candidate?

[Untitled]

"The argument, also used by the Tories, that Starmer betrayed the hard left ergo you can't trust him is weaker than water"

why? he set out a number of promises and reversed them all. perhaps there's something i am not seeing here but how can you be sure he won't do it again?

 

[Untitled]

and answer came there none lol

[david small]

No.