Why must we allow these trespassers?

[Red_John]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...-isle-of-man-12910356
Why do beardy wierdies have a right to walk through peoples back gardens? I sympathise with Clarkson and also Madonna who has had similar problems.

[MoonshinePete]

Jack >> On the 10th. December 2004 mr. and Mrs Clarkson were advised by the solicitors conducting the searches, under the heading Dept of Transport with regard to Highways " It is clear that the public have rights of ramblage over Langness ( including the open portion of the property you propose to purchase). This is clear evidence that the DOT was warning that disputes could occur if the public's rights or perception of rights were removed. Despite this Mr. and Mrs. Clarkson proceeded with the purchase, closed off part of the open portion of the property and then claimed no prior knowledge of such rights. <<

[jackthehat]

Why are you bringing articles from years ago into this ?

The case has been decided one way and then the other since your last was published. It is still, as yet, undecided.

[MoonshinePete]

Jack to fight a legal case you need money and that is one thing clarkson is not short off eventually he will win and no doubt have a book published and some sad people will buy it and make him even richer.

[jackthehat]

MP - I fail to see quite what that has to do with the matter.

[BertiWooster]

// I see this thread turning to jealousy over a family that have money. //

Nothing to do with jealously ( not on my part ) - he is just a prat full of his own self importance

[jackthehat]

Even self-important prats have an expectation of privacy in their own homes, though........surely ?

[jno]

Not if they buy houses next to a right of way, jack. It remains to be seen whether it is found to be one; if it is, he has no right to seize it himself and tell the rest of the world that he'll specify where they walk in future. I may just be saying this because I can't stand him; but the public have few enough rights, and they shouldn't be cancelled because invididuals don't like them.

[jackthehat]

See, jno............that's where I have the problem.
If he were telling them to sod off completely, I'd agree. But he is asking them to walk "just a little bit over there".......a weeny bit away from where they demand to walk.
I can't understand why prowl didn't just agree, I really can't.

<And I speak as someone who has done her bit to ensure public footpaths/rights-of-way, etc have been preserved..........usually from angry red-faced farmers, but that's a whole different story>

[jno]

nah, he should have thought of that before buying; and if he now claims he didn't know - well, tough; what are solicitors for? A right of way is a right; it can't be abrogated because someone finds it inconvenient. People who love the dear man may choose to go where he tells them, so to speak; but nobody should feel under the least obligation to do so. Still, this is all for the courts to rule on.

[jackthehat]

That's the problem, jno.
Clarkson argues that the right of way was a 'permisssion given by the landowner' and HOK agrees..............however, HOK are giving more legal weight to that phrase, in that a legal right has been established along that specific route, and *that* is the knub of the matter.

If Clarkson was aware that he would have to let Ramblers traverse his land and was happy to do so, that is an entirely different animal from being told that they *must* however follow this exact line.....He may have been badly advised by his solicitors (but as this is now zig-zagging its way up the legal system, one could perhaps forgive them for their error) but that does not solve his immediate problem. Especially as he is now having property damaged by those exercising their rights walk on his land.

[MoonshinePete]

Jack >>If Clarkson was aware that he would have to let Ramblers traverse his land and was happy to do so, that is an entirely different animal <<

Mrs Clarkson were advised by the solicitors conducting the searches, under the heading Dept of Transport with regard to Highways " It is clear that the public have
rights of ramblage over Langness

[jackthehat]

Yes, that's what I've said, too...........

He's never disputed the 'rights'......he's only attempting to slightly alter the route.

[Tuddypat]

// Vandals have uprooted fence posts and a gate near the Isle of Man home of BBC Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson. //

Good. He's obviously only there to avoid paying tax anyway.

[andy-hughes]

Tuddypat - in cas you have not read the background to this stroy - Mrs Clarkson is a native of the island, so that is probably a main reason for buying a second home there.

Since Mr Clarkson is employed by UK companies, it's more than likely that his income is taxed at source, so he will gain no benefit from exile tax status.

Since when was vandalism a 'good' thing, if perpetrated against someone who may (but in this case probably not) choose to take advantage of legal tax breaks?

[Tuddypat]

// Mrs Clarkson is a native of the island, //

He obviously only married her to avoid paying tax.

[Tuddypat]

// Since when was vandalism a 'good' thing? //

When it's someone ripping up a fence that Jeremy Clarkson has put across a footpath to avoid people standing at the bottom of his garden pointing at his house and saying 'That's where Jeremy Clarkson lives - he moved here to avoid paying tax'.